I'm more upset than I've been in a while.
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@Ribby This has blackpilled me to such a huge extent. I no longer trust that anything on my computer will be there tomorrow, or the next day. I am now a paranoid crank boarding up the virtual doors and windows raving about electronic chemtrails. It's so bad dude.
@prism My conspiracy theory is Microsoft actually hates its users. Ive been trying to figure out how to switch to Linuxever since windows announced they were harvesting data from people. It's slow going since I'm not a computer person and I've slowed down because *the drama*. Thanks for reminding me this is priority number Fuckin 1
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That's one nice thing about an external HD. You should be able to see that the files actually got copied over. When in doubt you can even check ot on another computer.
@adredish @jernej__s Not to mention, when I copy a file to a hard drive, IT FUCKING STAYS THERE.
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@prism My conspiracy theory is Microsoft actually hates its users. Ive been trying to figure out how to switch to Linuxever since windows announced they were harvesting data from people. It's slow going since I'm not a computer person and I've slowed down because *the drama*. Thanks for reminding me this is priority number Fuckin 1
@Ribby Never confuse malace for stupidity etc. I unfortunately am hostage to the whims of this demonic corporation, because accessibility on linux has been a slow motion train wreck from the jump.
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@Ribby Never confuse malace for stupidity etc. I unfortunately am hostage to the whims of this demonic corporation, because accessibility on linux has been a slow motion train wreck from the jump.
@prism certainly sufficiently advanced stupid is indistinguishable from malace? Anyway. I'm sorry Microslop is awful
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I'm more upset than I've been in a while.
Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.
To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.
Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.
Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.
Goodnight.
@prism If they WERE on your computer and deleted by OneDrive you might be able to get them back with something like DiskDrill especially if everything else you have done since has ended up on OneDrive and not on the computer to over-write things. Of course, the later things that never wrote to the computer could not be rescued this way, but the earlier stuff could
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That's one nice thing about an external HD. You should be able to see that the files actually got copied over. When in doubt you can even check ot on another computer.
@adredish @prism Yes, but most people want something they can set and forget, and there are backup programs that work well (and will scream at you if there'a s problem creating the backup), and forced OneDrivification of Documents folder breaks them silently (other cloud storage services can do the same thing, but you have to enable that yourself, and the OS won't try to trick you into enabling them by putting up security alerts like it does with OneDrive).
Having a script and a hard drive's fine, but most people won't want to bother with that – I know I certainly wouldn't remember to run my backup script if it wasn't automated. -
@prism If they WERE on your computer and deleted by OneDrive you might be able to get them back with something like DiskDrill especially if everything else you have done since has ended up on OneDrive and not on the computer to over-write things. Of course, the later things that never wrote to the computer could not be rescued this way, but the earlier stuff could
@YstradgynlaisYstalyferaHistory The stuff that's missing is all old and I have been actively using the drive since then, I can't imagine it still exists there at this point. This is stuff from years and years ago so it would have been overwritten by now.
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I'm more upset than I've been in a while.
Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.
To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.
Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.
Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.
Goodnight.
@prism damn. I never used OneDrive because of its UI. It never jelled with me like Dropbox did. I started deleting OneDrive once it started showing up. I'm truly sorry that you lost your data.
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@prism damn. I never used OneDrive because of its UI. It never jelled with me like Dropbox did. I started deleting OneDrive once it started showing up. I'm truly sorry that you lost your data.
@ppatel Everyone should delete one drive. Before it kills again.
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I'm more upset than I've been in a while.
Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.
To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.
Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.
Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.
Goodnight.
Blocked three people today, which is three more than my monthly average. Gotta love the internet.
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I'm more upset than I've been in a while.
Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.
To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.
Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.
Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.
Goodnight.
@prism FFS! I am so sorry. That really sucks.
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@altlazybear @prism They are not. Mac OS has other problems, but turning this sort of thing on by default is not one of them. It doesn't even force you to use an Apple ID if I am not mistaken, so if you don't use stuff from App Store you can easily set up a computer with an offline account.
For now, at least, that is. Apple is showing an interest in catching up to Microsoft in these matters it seems.
@librarysquirrel @altlazybear @prism They don't force an Apple ID (yet) but they do force cloud activation during the recovery/install phase. If you don't have a WiFi network, USB hotspot or ethernet bridge, you're screwed if you want to set up macOS. Lack of a network connection isn't so much the problem insomuch as Apple deciding they will no longer activate your Mac. Oh, and they activate iCloud without your consent too, so there's that. They all suck.
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@wpeckham I don't have that option. Accessibility on linux is a trash fire.
@prism I understand that because of accessibility issues, Linux may not be a solid option, but I still stand by the advice: Never trust Microsoft. Although, I guess the corollary would be if you care about it, back it up. Because if you don't have multiple backups it's only a question of when you will lose it, not if. Of course that doesn't help retrieve what you've lost after it's gone, but it helps prevent you from having to face that issue in the future.
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@librarysquirrel @altlazybear @prism They don't force an Apple ID (yet) but they do force cloud activation during the recovery/install phase. If you don't have a WiFi network, USB hotspot or ethernet bridge, you're screwed if you want to set up macOS. Lack of a network connection isn't so much the problem insomuch as Apple deciding they will no longer activate your Mac. Oh, and they activate iCloud without your consent too, so there's that. They all suck.
@jackf723 @altlazybear @prism Still not the same thing as Microsoft which is what I am talking about.
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I'm more upset than I've been in a while.
Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.
To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.
Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.
Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.
Goodnight.
@prism and it’s nearly impossible to get rid of and keep OneDrive off a Windows machine.
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@prism and it’s nearly impossible to get rid of and keep OneDrive off a Windows machine.
@horqua Yes it is foisted on their customers like a virus.
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@mathew @prism
I'm wrong. You're right. Happy?BTW:
I don't use any Microsoft product or service. I'm full in on Apple. All my files are in iCloud, which also saves most of them only in the cloud. Never lost any file. Why? Backups (eg. BackBlaze and external drive).And now, I wish you both a nice day.
@allezhub @prism Microsoft tell people that OneDrive is a backup and that their files are "protected". People believe them, and lose their files as a result. I do not believe that it's appropriate to blame the customer in any way in this situation.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/onedrive/back-up-your-folders-with-onedrive
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Blocked three people today, which is three more than my monthly average. Gotta love the internet.
@prism know the feeling, some people are just flat out assholes
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I'm more upset than I've been in a while.
Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.
To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.
Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.
Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.
Goodnight.
@prism Sorry to hear that. What's not mentioned to far I see is to look at the shadow copy feature of windows to try to recover something, in the hopes *something* was at least on the drive after all. Even in home editions of windows, you can use a software like shadowexplorer to look.
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I'm more upset than I've been in a while.
Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.
To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.
Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.
Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.
Goodnight.
@prism This is an absolute nightmare. The last time I set up a Windows 11, I also noticed that everything in the home drive was being saved to OneDrive, and I remember being baffled that the default was cloud storage. But it was even more frustrating that it wasn't straightforward to disable. And now, through your story, we see the impact of this awful design. Thank you for sharing, and hopefully it prompts everyone that uses Windows 11 to take a closer look at how theirs is set up.
