"I can't endorse radical political change because the disruption would harm too many people."
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@burnoutqueen @artemis yeah but a lot of the related stuff is also kinda lifestyle change - if the movement is going to succeed we can't be waiting until we're in power to ask (force?) people to do climate & environmental justice adaptation. Like reducing air travel, car use, plastic use, retirement expectations, disposable consumerism, sacrifice zones and bad jobs are all things that are necessary and legal and if we wait to be in power to make those changes, we'll be very quickly out of power.
Lifestyle changes alone cannot break the iron alliance of the state and the corporations, or underdeveloped infrastructure, or the political autocracy in the US
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We'd do it 100% peacefully if we could, but people experienced in creating these kinds of alternatives will tell you: eventually the state will step in with violence to protect capital.
They will disrupt us. They will try to destroy our ability to help each other.
The world we want to build is not compatible with the tyranny of wealthy oligarchs, & they will not hesitate to command their footsoldiers to violently oppose us.
They create suffering & deprivation intentionally. They will not leave us alone while we work to alleviate them. They will criminalize our efforts, justifying extreme violence.
So...do you want to defend a status quo maintained by state violence?
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They will disrupt us. They will try to destroy our ability to help each other.
The world we want to build is not compatible with the tyranny of wealthy oligarchs, & they will not hesitate to command their footsoldiers to violently oppose us.
They create suffering & deprivation intentionally. They will not leave us alone while we work to alleviate them. They will criminalize our efforts, justifying extreme violence.
So...do you want to defend a status quo maintained by state violence?
The answers lie outside the system.
We can work on them now.
But don't be surprised when your good work is met with hostility.
Creating alternative ways of meeting each other's needs is an attack on the existing system. Capitalists won't take that lying down.
The revolution isn't all about fighting, but they will fight us every step of the way.
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@artemis THIS! I think the idea that you have to be a soldier or "criminal" to participate in revolutionary work is what holds a lot of people back.
Most of the groundwork for a new world is peaceful. We can be prosocial WHILE undermining the oppressive systems we operate under.
you don't have to be a "soldier" or "criminal". the state labels you as one to justify its brutal persecution of you as propaganda to the rest of society
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The answers lie outside the system.
We can work on them now.
But don't be surprised when your good work is met with hostility.
Creating alternative ways of meeting each other's needs is an attack on the existing system. Capitalists won't take that lying down.
The revolution isn't all about fighting, but they will fight us every step of the way.
This thread!!
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The answers lie outside the system.
We can work on them now.
But don't be surprised when your good work is met with hostility.
Creating alternative ways of meeting each other's needs is an attack on the existing system. Capitalists won't take that lying down.
The revolution isn't all about fighting, but they will fight us every step of the way.
(Sometimes I write threads like these & start to see parallels to the sayings of the Jesus character in the Gospels & think "wow. I was soaking in revolutionary concepts & had no fucking idea.")
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Lifestyle changes alone cannot break the iron alliance of the state and the corporations, or underdeveloped infrastructure, or the political autocracy in the US
@burnoutqueen @artemis of course not, but lifestyle change is necessary and hard and the easier we make it - by doing it ourselves now and by building the structures to make it easier for more people as we build more political power - the more likely we are to have any larger political change succeed in a more popular and lasting way.
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(Sometimes I write threads like these & start to see parallels to the sayings of the Jesus character in the Gospels & think "wow. I was soaking in revolutionary concepts & had no fucking idea.")
@artemis So ...love thy neighbor, but be ready to flip some tables?
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you don't have to be a "soldier" or "criminal". the state labels you as one to justify its brutal persecution of you as propaganda to the rest of society
@coolcalmcollected @artemis True, but that label will be applied to everyone no matter what, eventually. Starting a community garden is lower stakes for many people than other options and food security is absolutely an imperative.
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@artemis they have no example of what disruption they're even talking about. it's a bluff so they can continue to pretend they want something different while really wanting no change at all.
@burnitdown @artemis "anarchists and communists disrupt my comfortable illusion that the current state of things is basically okay"
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@coolcalmcollected @artemis True, but that label will be applied to everyone no matter what, eventually. Starting a community garden is lower stakes for many people than other options and food security is absolutely an imperative.
@coolcalmcollected @artemis Also "insane" is a label they have historically used to justify psychiatric incarceration as a way to bypass the justice system and the human rights the courts often impose.
Which is why I find the sudden expansion of involuntary "care" being pushed in all provinces in Canada right now so incredibly concerning (am "Canadian").
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We're not going to first have the "revolution" & THEN try to sort things out & help people.
The problem-solving & mutual help IS the revolution. They cannot be separated.
Old systems must be torn down. Part of tearing them down is creating new ways of living.
Begin creating the world you want to live in NOW. Don't wait.
If I could make everyone in the USA read something right now, it would be "From dictatorship to democracy" by Gene Sharp
He talks about this in that essay
(it's an essay published as a novella)
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If I could make everyone in the USA read something right now, it would be "From dictatorship to democracy" by Gene Sharp
He talks about this in that essay
(it's an essay published as a novella)
@c0debabe
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Ooh. Added to my "to read" list!@artemis I still hate everything happening but I have a much better understanding of what is at play and what needs to be done.
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Niemöller's mistake was joining the nazis and believing that would save him. his poem takes on a very different look when you know the context.
I read it as he knows this from experience.
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I read it as he knows this from experience.
yes, he does, because he joined the nazis believing that would save him. that's not an opinion, that's what he really did.
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Oh I know. He really did the practical demonstration of not speaking out, and when he finally did, the response damn near killed him, as it had so many others, Nazi and innocent alike.
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@artemis So ...love thy neighbor, but be ready to flip some tables?
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This attitude that we can't try for radical change because people will be harmed by the disruption is a bit like the people who walk into a grocery store in America with bare shelves, take pictures, & say "this is what socialism creates."
You're literally looking directly at the harm that capitalistic, fascistic systems do & saying "oh no! Socialism is going to take away people's access to the things they need!"
It's already happening.
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"I can't endorse radical political change because the disruption would harm too many people."
Do you SEE the world we are in? Do you SEE how bad things are now & how much worse they are likely to get in the NEAR future?
More people slip below the poverty line, unable to feed themselves & their families, unable to access healthcare, abused by a system they are too poor to resist.
Immigrants (& those who would defend them) are abducted & imprisoned.
When is that disruption going to be enough?
Artemis The “people” who would be harmed are the ones with giant bank accounts and investment portfolios, and the “harm” they’d experience is having smaller bank accounts and investment portfolios. These are the only ones that the ownership class see as people.
