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  • elexia@catcatnya.comE elexia@catcatnya.com

    @selzero a paper bottle would plainly not work. at most it can be reinforcement.

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    #30

    @elexia @selzero The bottle could be bioplastic produced from cellulose from paper. I could definitely see marketing simplifying “bottle made of a paper-derived product” to “bottle made of paper”.

    Like how clothing marketed as “bamboo fiber” is actually rayon/viscose produced from bamboo-derived cellulose.

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    • bob_zim@infosec.exchangeB bob_zim@infosec.exchange

      @elexia @selzero The bottle could be bioplastic produced from cellulose from paper. I could definitely see marketing simplifying “bottle made of a paper-derived product” to “bottle made of paper”.

      Like how clothing marketed as “bamboo fiber” is actually rayon/viscose produced from bamboo-derived cellulose.

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      #31

      @bob_zim @selzero I somehow doubt it. is that process as toxic as making viscose with conventional methods?

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      • fluffy@plush.cityF fluffy@plush.city

        @stefan @selzero AGI, short for "A Guy Instead"

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        #32

        @fluffy @stefan @selzero AI, short for "Actually Indian"

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        • selzero@syzito.xyzS selzero@syzito.xyz

          We are out here acting like corporations with a profit motive are going to make any effort to protect the future of mankind.

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          #33

          @selzero

          No it wasn’t…?

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          • selzero@syzito.xyzS selzero@syzito.xyz

            We are out here acting like corporations with a profit motive are going to make any effort to protect the future of mankind.

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            #34

            @selzero I wouldn’t be taking it seriously when it has Roman measurements on it 🤷‍♂️

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            • elexia@catcatnya.comE elexia@catcatnya.com

              @selzero a paper bottle would plainly not work. at most it can be reinforcement.

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              #35

              @elexia @selzero Long time ago in the past century we then kids used paper cups (real tight carton, zero plastic) to boil water and tea in them on the small bonfire. Cups were attached to some freshly found stick by two pieces of thread to allow us keep their bottoms precisely at the right flame. 40 such cups weighted less than hefty pot you would use otherwise for your two day mountain trip.

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              • elexia@catcatnya.comE elexia@catcatnya.com

                @bob_zim @selzero I somehow doubt it. is that process as toxic as making viscose with conventional methods?

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                #36

                @elexia @selzero Looks like the production process isn’t *great*, but nowhere near as bad as petro plastic. The most common bioplastic is PLA, which tends to be translucent like that liner.

                Of course, mass balancing is common, as are semantic tricks like saying the cardboard is the bottle and the plastic is a liner. They certainly could be lying.

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                • selzero@syzito.xyzS selzero@syzito.xyz

                  We are out here acting like corporations with a profit motive are going to make any effort to protect the future of mankind.

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                  #37
                  @selzero
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                  • selzero@syzito.xyzS selzero@syzito.xyz

                    We are out here acting like corporations with a profit motive are going to make any effort to protect the future of mankind.

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                    #38

                    @selzero

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                    • nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social

                      @GabeMoralesVR @jernej__s @selzero There may be some aluminum cans with plastic, but most are still metal. I tend to crush all mine down and believe me, those are metal bits trying to cut me on all the cans I use...

                      I'm pretty sure any metal cans using plastic are actually the odd ones out rather than the norm.

                      Not that metal cans are a whole lot better... Aluminum doesn't degrade into the environment very fast either (and isn't so great when it does I'm sure.)

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                      #39

                      @nazokiyoubinbou @GabeMoralesVR @jernej__s @selzero I'm confused by this. Aluminum can't degrade, can it? It's an element.

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                      • selzero@syzito.xyzS selzero@syzito.xyz

                        We are out here acting like corporations with a profit motive are going to make any effort to protect the future of mankind.

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                        #40

                        @selzero literally,
                        > "Hello I'm Paper Bottle"
                        > looks inside
                        > plastic

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                        • selzero@syzito.xyzS selzero@syzito.xyz

                          We are out here acting like corporations with a profit motive are going to make any effort to protect the future of mankind.

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                          #41

                          @selzero@syzito.xyz so like, you pour it out and it becomes paper or?

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                          • selzero@syzito.xyzS selzero@syzito.xyz

                            We are out here acting like corporations with a profit motive are going to make any effort to protect the future of mankind.

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                            #42

                            @selzero every time I see this I realise…

                            We’re actually *totally* fucked.

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                            • peterbrown@mastodon.scotP peterbrown@mastodon.scot

                              @selzero surely describing that as a paper bottle when it is actually plastic is straight up fraud?

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                              #43

                              @peterbrown @selzero no because "I'm paper bottle" is not legally the description of what it is

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