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The other day, I wanted to see if alcohol-free port existed.

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  • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

    The other day, I wanted to see if alcohol-free port existed. The top search link went to a page of the 20 best alcohol-free ports! Except none of them were port, they were all spirits (not even other fortified wines). The ‘AI’ summary described a fictional process for removing alcohol from port and had two citations, neither of which supported the claim. The next 30 pages were all LLM slop that talked about what port is for a long time before saying that there’s no alcohol-free version.

    I have been using the web since the mid ‘90s and it has never been this bad. Anyone advocating for ‘AI’ is advocating for a future where this damage is spread to all facets of life.

    rezamemaryan@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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    #25

    @david_chisnall More information does not necessarily mean a narrower view. The real issue is not to let AI make decisions in place of our own judgment. The value of AI lies not in thinking for us, but in giving us access to more information so that we can examine, compare, and judge it for ourselves. Perhaps the challenge of the future will not be a lack of information, but our ability to distinguish truth from information that is merely convincing.

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    • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

      The other day, I wanted to see if alcohol-free port existed. The top search link went to a page of the 20 best alcohol-free ports! Except none of them were port, they were all spirits (not even other fortified wines). The ‘AI’ summary described a fictional process for removing alcohol from port and had two citations, neither of which supported the claim. The next 30 pages were all LLM slop that talked about what port is for a long time before saying that there’s no alcohol-free version.

      I have been using the web since the mid ‘90s and it has never been this bad. Anyone advocating for ‘AI’ is advocating for a future where this damage is spread to all facets of life.

      bencotterill@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #26

      @david_chisnall Once did a search for local pubs that served Gluten free beer. It sent me to a slop page (now gone) that had instructions on how to make beer from a pub tap GF. It involved weird stuff, such as holding a cigarette lighter under the glass until the beer started bubbling.

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      • apostateenglishman@mastodon.worldA apostateenglishman@mastodon.world

        @david_chisnall I agree with everything you've written here. As a sidenote, some years ago we also tried to get hold of some alcohol-free port for a Christmas guest to have with a cheese board, and we couldn't find any anywhere.

        I guess you just can't dealcoholise port without destroying whatever gives it its distinct flavour. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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        #27

        tbh… port basically is just wine, but with more alcohol AND sugar. (adding brandy to wine, to increase alc thus killing the yeast, thus stop the fermentation that creates alc from sugar)

        It sounds kinda obvious how that might be hard to replicate in taste/feel without alcohol?

        I had some pretty good alcohol-free fizzy wine recently and I liked it better than most traditional sparkling wines. (I’m not a big fan of those, so that might be onto me). Not because it was the same, but because it was different?

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        • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

          The other day, I wanted to see if alcohol-free port existed. The top search link went to a page of the 20 best alcohol-free ports! Except none of them were port, they were all spirits (not even other fortified wines). The ‘AI’ summary described a fictional process for removing alcohol from port and had two citations, neither of which supported the claim. The next 30 pages were all LLM slop that talked about what port is for a long time before saying that there’s no alcohol-free version.

          I have been using the web since the mid ‘90s and it has never been this bad. Anyone advocating for ‘AI’ is advocating for a future where this damage is spread to all facets of life.

          dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD This user is from outside of this forum
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          #28

          @david_chisnall you should be all for it, david, it makes your hardware based security much more valuable if people are going to vibe shit the code that runs on it.

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          • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

            @david_chisnall

            AI circular finance fraud & fossil fuel funded fascism would drive anyone to drink.

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            #29

            @Npars01 🤔 😆 @david_chisnall

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            • rezamemaryan@mastodon.socialR rezamemaryan@mastodon.social

              @david_chisnall More information does not necessarily mean a narrower view. The real issue is not to let AI make decisions in place of our own judgment. The value of AI lies not in thinking for us, but in giving us access to more information so that we can examine, compare, and judge it for ourselves. Perhaps the challenge of the future will not be a lack of information, but our ability to distinguish truth from information that is merely convincing.

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              #30

              @rezamemaryan @david_chisnall

              I don't want that future.

              I grew up learning from books, but how do you learn when nothing is reliable?

              Imagine picking up a dictionary as a kid, and every 100th word has an incorrect definition.

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              • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                The other day, I wanted to see if alcohol-free port existed. The top search link went to a page of the 20 best alcohol-free ports! Except none of them were port, they were all spirits (not even other fortified wines). The ‘AI’ summary described a fictional process for removing alcohol from port and had two citations, neither of which supported the claim. The next 30 pages were all LLM slop that talked about what port is for a long time before saying that there’s no alcohol-free version.

                I have been using the web since the mid ‘90s and it has never been this bad. Anyone advocating for ‘AI’ is advocating for a future where this damage is spread to all facets of life.

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                #31

                @david_chisnall Much deserved, just for looking for alcohol-free port 😂

                Curiosity made me try a de-alcoholised wine some time ago. I found it quite disappointing.
                Maybe it wasn't served at the right temperature, but despite all the expected flavors were as expected, the absence of alcohol made it a very flat grapes juice.
                I suppose alcohol is a strong (primary?) vehicle (chemically/physically speaking) to scents and tastes, boosting their channeling to our sensory experience.

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                • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                  The other day, I wanted to see if alcohol-free port existed. The top search link went to a page of the 20 best alcohol-free ports! Except none of them were port, they were all spirits (not even other fortified wines). The ‘AI’ summary described a fictional process for removing alcohol from port and had two citations, neither of which supported the claim. The next 30 pages were all LLM slop that talked about what port is for a long time before saying that there’s no alcohol-free version.

                  I have been using the web since the mid ‘90s and it has never been this bad. Anyone advocating for ‘AI’ is advocating for a future where this damage is spread to all facets of life.

                  pascaline@mastodon.nlP This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #32

                  @david_chisnall

                  OMG it's all so, so bad.
                  All those pages that first discuss what a table is, what it's used for, where you can buy it, that some people et cetera, and finally say that you can paint it with paint.

                  🤮🤮🤮

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                  • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                    The other day, I wanted to see if alcohol-free port existed. The top search link went to a page of the 20 best alcohol-free ports! Except none of them were port, they were all spirits (not even other fortified wines). The ‘AI’ summary described a fictional process for removing alcohol from port and had two citations, neither of which supported the claim. The next 30 pages were all LLM slop that talked about what port is for a long time before saying that there’s no alcohol-free version.

                    I have been using the web since the mid ‘90s and it has never been this bad. Anyone advocating for ‘AI’ is advocating for a future where this damage is spread to all facets of life.

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                    #33

                    @david_chisnall

                    The entire first page of search results has become AI slop now. For any subject.

                    Reddit is about the only thing I trust these days because I know it's actual humans.

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                    • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                      The other day, I wanted to see if alcohol-free port existed. The top search link went to a page of the 20 best alcohol-free ports! Except none of them were port, they were all spirits (not even other fortified wines). The ‘AI’ summary described a fictional process for removing alcohol from port and had two citations, neither of which supported the claim. The next 30 pages were all LLM slop that talked about what port is for a long time before saying that there’s no alcohol-free version.

                      I have been using the web since the mid ‘90s and it has never been this bad. Anyone advocating for ‘AI’ is advocating for a future where this damage is spread to all facets of life.

                      alan@mindly.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                      alan@mindly.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #34

                      @david_chisnall To some extent, this was an irritating trend before AI added a new layer of crap and made it easier. At some point, the evil search engine decided that "authoritative" pages should get more weight, so now a query like "how do I do X" gets a frigging book on the meaning of X, the history of X, trends in X, and maybe, just maybe the answer you want. Meanwhile half a dozen pages that say "you do X by following these steps: 1, 2, 3" and nothing else are fucking buried.

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