I know we've talked about this before but I'm just so disgusted with how useless most search engines are now.
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@doomsdayrs Also if you've already looked into how to feasibly distribute/federate crawls (and their results for search index building), I'd be very interested to hear about it.
I don't think a single person or small organization will be able to map the entire web without exhausting itself to death, so I think it's important to decentralize at the very least the crawling from the beginning.
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@phryk @futurebird I have and I have a solution, wait to hear me announce its functional state eventually
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@phryk @futurebird I have and I have a solution, wait to hear me announce its functional state eventually
@doomsdayrs You have my attention – but do I really have to wait (and possibly miss it)? What language is this and can I get a look at the code for contribution/inspiration/interop? 🥺
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@doomsdayrs @FaithfullJohn @futurebird
do you have experience with it? Is it useful?@missqarnstein @FaithfullJohn @futurebird its terrible.
It's somewhat a reason I am building my own without a "tor" network, but something more traditional and simple.
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I know we've talked about this before but I'm just so disgusted with how useless most search engines are now. They all second guess me.
The most obscure or unusual word is ignored so it's very hard to search for the intersection of a popular thing and an obscure thing.
I have a theory that for many people search has never worked well for them since they just didn't use computers very much, or it was not explained well. Now those of us who found search effective get to see what it was like.
@futurebird oh i hate the word omission thing. even the "good" engines do that now
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@doomsdayrs You have my attention – but do I really have to wait (and possibly miss it)? What language is this and can I get a look at the code for contribution/inspiration/interop? 🥺
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@phryk @futurebird Follow me and one day you'll see me announce it. Maybe in the next 3 months.
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I really hope that enough people have noticed the degradation that it might matter.
Ha… these days it's become practically impossible to develop a new internet search from scratch: You've to crawl the web to build an index. Which means that you've got to scrape the web just like the AI crawlers do. Which means that these crawlers will run into the same self-defense mechanisms that were rolled out to have at least some protection.
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The non-computer people I know don't really think search as gotten worse. The people I know who hate computers the most think it's gotten better... but they are in the minority.
I've always found obscure words powerful in searches. That power has been destroyed. Please don't tell me to put it in quotes or use a different engine... this is a design trend, made worse by "AI" I'm not asking for a solution or work around. I want to know WHY the software I depend on keeps getting worse.
@futurebird I'm convinced it's to drive up ad revenue or something.
If you have to search twice, they can show you twice the ads.
And yes, I've noticed it and the AI summaries made it way worse. I'm not a native English speaker and used to paste words or half sentences into Google to check spelling and such, it is now mostly useless for that. -
@futurebird To be free from Google, the EU invests into an own search machine which is a cooperation of #Ecosia and #Qwant.
No free community would have the financial power you need for such a project!@NatureMC @futurebird @doomsdayrs ha, didn't know about that project! Here's the website:
https://www.eu-searchperspective.com/
Looks like they like to use the AI marketing buzzwords though. This is their "product"
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@futurebird I'm convinced it's to drive up ad revenue or something.
If you have to search twice, they can show you twice the ads.
And yes, I've noticed it and the AI summaries made it way worse. I'm not a native English speaker and used to paste words or half sentences into Google to check spelling and such, it is now mostly useless for that.@futurebird which is funny in some twisted way, because one would expect a language model to be better at correcting my sentences. Now it sometimes just replies to my half pasted sentences, or if I want to check a quote. I don't want an answer or it's take on it, I want to know the origin.
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The non-computer people I know don't really think search as gotten worse. The people I know who hate computers the most think it's gotten better... but they are in the minority.
I've always found obscure words powerful in searches. That power has been destroyed. Please don't tell me to put it in quotes or use a different engine... this is a design trend, made worse by "AI" I'm not asking for a solution or work around. I want to know WHY the software I depend on keeps getting worse.
@futurebird I know at least one person who agrees with you...
https://helvede.net/@jwcph/114714407615528803
