Trying to edit a stupid FCC comment on Yet Another Fucking Stupid Orbital Data Center (fuck you, Blue Origin) and I need to go outside and rage-scream for a while.
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Following your lead, I read "More Everything Forever", by Adam Becker. Thanks for that tip!
To others alarmed by the insane "constellation" stampede:
If you are thinking that this is merely billionaire greed, you might want that book. This is greed on a scale never unleashed before, infected with a malevolent pseudo-religion that is stunningly corrosive.
You're probably aware of this already. Becker fleshes it out.
I apologize for increasing the need to rage-scream. I would have made an independent post, but @sundogplanets is such an important info stream, and so widely followed by intelligent people, that it seems excusable to intrude on this thread, sometimes. Sorry!
A key point that seems to be hidden from many of us is that these 'Titans of Greed" are not unaware of the harm they are doing. The role models among them want to do harm.
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I apologize for increasing the need to rage-scream. I would have made an independent post, but @sundogplanets is such an important info stream, and so widely followed by intelligent people, that it seems excusable to intrude on this thread, sometimes. Sorry!
A key point that seems to be hidden from many of us is that these 'Titans of Greed" are not unaware of the harm they are doing. The role models among them want to do harm.
@oldclumsy_nowmad Glad you read it and learned from it! It's an excellent book
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Trying to edit a stupid FCC comment on Yet Another Fucking Stupid Orbital Data Center (fuck you, Blue Origin) and I need to go outside and rage-scream for a while. And I have an easily accessible hayfield to rage-scream in!! (Also maybe baby goats, I'll check for those too #BabyGoatCountdown)
Comments are due to the FCC on Mon for Blue Origin's copycat of SpaceX's fucking stupid orbital data center idea. Comments were due yesterday for the first SpaceX copycat: Starcloud (I hate everything about it, including the name). I was in chaotic travel mode for most of that and so had to rely on colleagues.
Now I have to read these fucking docs to see what bullshit Blue Origin is serving up, so time to rant about it.
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Comments are due to the FCC on Mon for Blue Origin's copycat of SpaceX's fucking stupid orbital data center idea. Comments were due yesterday for the first SpaceX copycat: Starcloud (I hate everything about it, including the name). I was in chaotic travel mode for most of that and so had to rely on colleagues.
Now I have to read these fucking docs to see what bullshit Blue Origin is serving up, so time to rant about it.
Blue Origin wants 51,600 satellites, all in sun-synchronous orbits. That means they'll follow the terminator line around the Earth and be sunlit ALWAYS. They want to distribute them between 500-1,800 km altitude, which means some of them will be sunlit and visible all the time. Fanfuckingtastic.
This is also the exact same set of orbits that both SpaceX and Starcloud want. Sun-synchronous orbits are about to get ridiculously crowded.
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Blue Origin wants 51,600 satellites, all in sun-synchronous orbits. That means they'll follow the terminator line around the Earth and be sunlit ALWAYS. They want to distribute them between 500-1,800 km altitude, which means some of them will be sunlit and visible all the time. Fanfuckingtastic.
This is also the exact same set of orbits that both SpaceX and Starcloud want. Sun-synchronous orbits are about to get ridiculously crowded.
@sundogplanets If they really think they need to do this - which I'm no scientist, just a Sci-Fi fan, couldn't they maybe I don't know, collaborate and stick the tech on satellites combining different companies techs? Like instead of cell towers for each provider, combine the antennas on one per region...
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Blue Origin wants 51,600 satellites, all in sun-synchronous orbits. That means they'll follow the terminator line around the Earth and be sunlit ALWAYS. They want to distribute them between 500-1,800 km altitude, which means some of them will be sunlit and visible all the time. Fanfuckingtastic.
This is also the exact same set of orbits that both SpaceX and Starcloud want. Sun-synchronous orbits are about to get ridiculously crowded.
"BLUE ORIGIN BACKGROUND" a.k.a. the grandiose greenwashing section. Oh they named this Project Sunrise?! Project Sunrise sounds like a billion times worse than Reflect Orbital...
Whatever it is, at least they didn't name it Project Sunshine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SUNSHINE
You just never fucking know with these techbro companies...
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"BLUE ORIGIN BACKGROUND" a.k.a. the grandiose greenwashing section. Oh they named this Project Sunrise?! Project Sunrise sounds like a billion times worse than Reflect Orbital...
Whatever it is, at least they didn't name it Project Sunshine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SUNSHINE
You just never fucking know with these techbro companies...
Oh my god the "PUBLIC INTEREST" section is a giant love fest over all the things that AI isn't actually doing. Don't worry guys, if you launch data centers into orbit, they are way greener! There's always solar power in space! Please just ignore all the rocket exhaust, ablation products, and shit hitting the ground... Also the fact that data centers in space are almost certainly physically impossible...
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Oh my god the "PUBLIC INTEREST" section is a giant love fest over all the things that AI isn't actually doing. Don't worry guys, if you launch data centers into orbit, they are way greener! There's always solar power in space! Please just ignore all the rocket exhaust, ablation products, and shit hitting the ground... Also the fact that data centers in space are almost certainly physically impossible...
IMHO there are other better ways to create some thousands of jobs.
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Oh my god the "PUBLIC INTEREST" section is a giant love fest over all the things that AI isn't actually doing. Don't worry guys, if you launch data centers into orbit, they are way greener! There's always solar power in space! Please just ignore all the rocket exhaust, ablation products, and shit hitting the ground... Also the fact that data centers in space are almost certainly physically impossible...
The shitweasels are also asking for waivers! Because the few rules that are left are just too much.
Please don't ask Jeff Bezos to pay a measly million dollar bond in case they don't launch 50% of their sats within 6 years. That would be unfair! Also please don't worry about what radio spectrum we'll use, because we totally promise not to have any interference at all, even though we provide absolutely zero information about how our satellites work!
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Blue Origin wants 51,600 satellites, all in sun-synchronous orbits. That means they'll follow the terminator line around the Earth and be sunlit ALWAYS. They want to distribute them between 500-1,800 km altitude, which means some of them will be sunlit and visible all the time. Fanfuckingtastic.
This is also the exact same set of orbits that both SpaceX and Starcloud want. Sun-synchronous orbits are about to get ridiculously crowded.
@sundogplanets Aren't there treaties that limit what can be put up there? Why not?
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The shitweasels are also asking for waivers! Because the few rules that are left are just too much.
Please don't ask Jeff Bezos to pay a measly million dollar bond in case they don't launch 50% of their sats within 6 years. That would be unfair! Also please don't worry about what radio spectrum we'll use, because we totally promise not to have any interference at all, even though we provide absolutely zero information about how our satellites work!
Thank you for reading through this mess so that the rest of us do not have to.
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The shitweasels are also asking for waivers! Because the few rules that are left are just too much.
Please don't ask Jeff Bezos to pay a measly million dollar bond in case they don't launch 50% of their sats within 6 years. That would be unfair! Also please don't worry about what radio spectrum we'll use, because we totally promise not to have any interference at all, even though we provide absolutely zero information about how our satellites work!
Oh another one too: Please don't ask us about our debris mitigation plan because the "satellite design is currently being matured" (in other words, they have no fucking clue what the satellites will actually look like or how they will work).
Oh yet another: we totally can't upload our orbital parameter date because the FCC's web form is too crappy! (This part I actually believe. The FCC's website blows.) But come on guys, no orbits?
Oh yeah, didn't submit to the ITU yet either. Of course.
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Blue Origin wants 51,600 satellites, all in sun-synchronous orbits. That means they'll follow the terminator line around the Earth and be sunlit ALWAYS. They want to distribute them between 500-1,800 km altitude, which means some of them will be sunlit and visible all the time. Fanfuckingtastic.
This is also the exact same set of orbits that both SpaceX and Starcloud want. Sun-synchronous orbits are about to get ridiculously crowded.
> Sun-synchronous orbits are about to get ridiculously crowded.
True, but there is good news. I know you want to hear good news, right? The _relative_ velocities between all these sun-synchronous satellites will be small, so the intra-orbit contribution to the Kessler syndrome will be close to zero. Won't help a lot, because of all those satellites in other orbits...
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Oh my god the "PUBLIC INTEREST" section is a giant love fest over all the things that AI isn't actually doing. Don't worry guys, if you launch data centers into orbit, they are way greener! There's always solar power in space! Please just ignore all the rocket exhaust, ablation products, and shit hitting the ground... Also the fact that data centers in space are almost certainly physically impossible...
@sundogplanets
No-one knows how to cool a 100kW satellite, much less one that's 1 MW. -
Oh another one too: Please don't ask us about our debris mitigation plan because the "satellite design is currently being matured" (in other words, they have no fucking clue what the satellites will actually look like or how they will work).
Oh yet another: we totally can't upload our orbital parameter date because the FCC's web form is too crappy! (This part I actually believe. The FCC's website blows.) But come on guys, no orbits?
Oh yeah, didn't submit to the ITU yet either. Of course.
That was the Narrative, now on to the Technical Annex. Whoopee.
Ok, so they want 300-1,000 satellites per plane, separated by 5-10km, ranging from 500-1,800km altitude. All in sun-synchronous. Like I said, super crowded.
There's a bunch of info about spectrum use, I will leave this to my radio colleagues to interpret. (dBW/m^2/MHz units... flux, I guess? Eeek.) It's probably bad.
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Oh my god the "PUBLIC INTEREST" section is a giant love fest over all the things that AI isn't actually doing. Don't worry guys, if you launch data centers into orbit, they are way greener! There's always solar power in space! Please just ignore all the rocket exhaust, ablation products, and shit hitting the ground... Also the fact that data centers in space are almost certainly physically impossible...
@sundogplanets The only spaceship with the resources to run a data center is the one we all live on and we're not even very good at it here where there's easy maintenance, somewhere to put the heat, ready power supply and bandwidth.
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@sundogplanets Aren't there treaties that limit what can be put up there? Why not?
@tadbithuman @sundogplanets
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That was the Narrative, now on to the Technical Annex. Whoopee.
Ok, so they want 300-1,000 satellites per plane, separated by 5-10km, ranging from 500-1,800km altitude. All in sun-synchronous. Like I said, super crowded.
There's a bunch of info about spectrum use, I will leave this to my radio colleagues to interpret. (dBW/m^2/MHz units... flux, I guess? Eeek.) It's probably bad.
ORBITAL DEBRIS MITIGATION this part will be the most "fun"
But a reminder that they asked for a waiver for their debris plan, so I guess that this is just... for funsies?
Here's the first and only information I've seen about the satellite sizes. They will be bigger than 10cm, so they will be easily tracked! No shit!! A fucking data center needs to be bigger than 10cm! What useful information!!
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Blue Origin wants 51,600 satellites, all in sun-synchronous orbits. That means they'll follow the terminator line around the Earth and be sunlit ALWAYS. They want to distribute them between 500-1,800 km altitude, which means some of them will be sunlit and visible all the time. Fanfuckingtastic.
This is also the exact same set of orbits that both SpaceX and Starcloud want. Sun-synchronous orbits are about to get ridiculously crowded.
@sundogplanets
some of my favourite satellites use(d) that orbit (WISE; SPHEREx) - it's great for surveyors -
> Sun-synchronous orbits are about to get ridiculously crowded.
True, but there is good news. I know you want to hear good news, right? The _relative_ velocities between all these sun-synchronous satellites will be small, so the intra-orbit contribution to the Kessler syndrome will be close to zero. Won't help a lot, because of all those satellites in other orbits...
@sundogplanets BTW do the documents address the cooling problem?
