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Another bizarre Grok Korean translation involving Tomodachi Life 🫠

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  • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

    Grok's smaller Korean dictionary contains 친모 (chin-mo), which means biological mother.

    The last character in the Tomodachi Life abbreviation, 아, "a," then gets confabulated to be a modifier of biological mother, and why chin-mo-a is converted to stepmother.

    The model sees the extra 아 as a typo that is supposed to modify biological mother.

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    #4

    The phrase "친모아 하다가 정병옴" in the screenshots in my OP would be translated by a human as something like "I'm losing my mind in Tomodachi Life," which matches the video capture showing characters doing a very bizarre and frustrating dialogue.

    The translation should absolutely not be "while doing stepmom stuff, my period came."

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    • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

      The phrase "친모아 하다가 정병옴" in the screenshots in my OP would be translated by a human as something like "I'm losing my mind in Tomodachi Life," which matches the video capture showing characters doing a very bizarre and frustrating dialogue.

      The translation should absolutely not be "while doing stepmom stuff, my period came."

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      #5

      There's a lingering bit of Grok's "anti-political correctness" bias surfacing in its translation of "my period came."

      The Korean does not in any way refer to menstruation.

      정병 (jeongbyeong) is slang for "mental illness," and has nothing whatsoever to do with menstruation.

      But given Elon Musk's "don't be afraid to be politically incorrect" rule for Grok and the incorrect "stepmom" translation, Grok's model assumed this was a woman complaining about being crazy from her period.

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      • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

        There's a lingering bit of Grok's "anti-political correctness" bias surfacing in its translation of "my period came."

        The Korean does not in any way refer to menstruation.

        정병 (jeongbyeong) is slang for "mental illness," and has nothing whatsoever to do with menstruation.

        But given Elon Musk's "don't be afraid to be politically incorrect" rule for Grok and the incorrect "stepmom" translation, Grok's model assumed this was a woman complaining about being crazy from her period.

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        #6

        These gaming slang translation fails may seem small, but they're not.

        They're a great example of what machine learning researchers have long worried about within translation & about generative models as a whole.

        Everything is confabulation. It works most of the time because the statistical correlations are good. But when input gets into the "long tail," shit happens.

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        • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

          These gaming slang translation fails may seem small, but they're not.

          They're a great example of what machine learning researchers have long worried about within translation & about generative models as a whole.

          Everything is confabulation. It works most of the time because the statistical correlations are good. But when input gets into the "long tail," shit happens.

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          #7

          This is why disembodied artificial systems will never become conscious. They have no actual experience in the world that is a ground truth.

          Stacking billions of abstract relationalities will not create even one somatic reality.

          Much more on that idea here: https://plus.flux.community/p/large-language-models-and-the-textual

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          • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

            This is why disembodied artificial systems will never become conscious. They have no actual experience in the world that is a ground truth.

            Stacking billions of abstract relationalities will not create even one somatic reality.

            Much more on that idea here: https://plus.flux.community/p/large-language-models-and-the-textual

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            #8

            If I get some time, I will write an essay on the Tomodachi Life mistranslations and what they mean for technology policy.

            Sadly, political leaders are not paying attention to the details on these matters.

            Here is an earlier thread on Grok's horrible Korean translations:
            https://mastodon.social/@mattsheffield/116927568418330177

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            • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

              This is why disembodied artificial systems will never become conscious. They have no actual experience in the world that is a ground truth.

              Stacking billions of abstract relationalities will not create even one somatic reality.

              Much more on that idea here: https://plus.flux.community/p/large-language-models-and-the-textual

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              #9

              @mattsheffield

              You know #SORA was an effort to train model to "experience" physicality of real world?

              Its was coincidental that it did videos.

              In the end, it was a flawed thesis.

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              • n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN n_dimension@infosec.exchange

                @mattsheffield

                You know #SORA was an effort to train model to "experience" physicality of real world?

                Its was coincidental that it did videos.

                In the end, it was a flawed thesis.

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                #10

                @n_dimension Yeah that approach isn't going to work either since it does not involve physical presence.

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                • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                  @n_dimension Yeah that approach isn't going to work either since it does not involve physical presence.

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                  #11

                  @mattsheffield

                  The paper was scathing.

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                    #12

                    @otte_homan They're pretty accurate most of the time, but they cannot possibly capture even close to all nuances.

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                    • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                      This is why disembodied artificial systems will never become conscious. They have no actual experience in the world that is a ground truth.

                      Stacking billions of abstract relationalities will not create even one somatic reality.

                      Much more on that idea here: https://plus.flux.community/p/large-language-models-and-the-textual

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                      #13

                      @mattsheffield Many great observations and analytical points here, thanks! I really like this:

                      “The profound resonance users report, the sense of being uniquely understood in a way that no person ever has — these are real experiences. But they are not encounters with another somatic mind, they are encounters with your own, […]”

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