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  3. Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

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  • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

    Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

    Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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    #23

    @mattblaze Doesn't there have to be a war to have a war crime? This appears to be old school piracy and murder in the service of larger goals of imperialism.

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    • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

      @FediThing That’s the problem for the administration here. If this was a military conflict, they violated the laws of war. If it wasn’t, it violated international law in other ways. Either way, it was criminal.

      The article I linked to explains this in some detail.

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      #24

      @mattblaze

      Thanks 🙏

      The article implies that Trump is committing murder:

      "A broad range of specialists in laws governing the use of force have said the orders by Mr. Trump and Mr. Hegseth to attack the boats (were) murders."

      "The administration has argued that the strikes are lawful ... because Mr. Trump decided the situation was a so-called noninternational armed conflict."

      "The legitimacy of that claim is widely disputed. Still, it has put attention on ways particular attacks might have violated the laws of war."

      ...so why aren't the headlines about Trump committing 123 murders? Why are they instead focusing on Hegseth?

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      • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

        Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

        Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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        #25

        @mattblaze I think the jet was a Boeing P-8 Poseidon. Their normal colour is light enough that many people could mistake it for an airliner.

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        • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

          Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

          https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

          Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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          #26

          @mattblaze We already know they don’t like to play by the rules.

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          • tomdb@mastodon-belgium.beT tomdb@mastodon-belgium.be

            @mattblaze We already know they don’t like to play by the rules.

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            #27

            @TomDB I know they don’t care. The reason to call out their lawlessness isn’t because I think they care. It’s because I think YOU should care.

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            • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

              @TomDB I know they don’t care. The reason to call out their lawlessness isn’t because I think they care. It’s because I think YOU should care.

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              #28

              @mattblaze 💯 @TomDB

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              • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

                https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

                Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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                #29

                @mattblaze@federate.social Does that subheading feel... different, tone wise, from what the media has been doing lately?

                Even accepting the Trump administration’s claim that there is an armed conflict with suspected drug runners, the laws of war bar “perfidy.”
                I can't think of the last time... or the FIRST time, for that matter, that I've seen the NYT come from a position of doubt re: the administration's claims while also stating that it's a crime.

                (well, "the laws of war bar..." isn't exactly "this is a crime", but I'd still say that feels like a substantial shift in tone)

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                • cstamp@mastodon.socialC cstamp@mastodon.social

                  @mattblaze what happens when a gov is run by cosplayers and have fired the people who were guardrails. They’ve been playing too many video games, no idea about actual laws. 😞

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                  #30

                  @CStamp

                  Nor any interest in them

                  @mattblaze

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                  • fedithing@social.chinwag.orgF fedithing@social.chinwag.org

                    @mattblaze

                    p.s. Almost makes one wonder if this "was it a war crime?" spin is coming from the White House itself. Casting it as an act of war and focusing on a tiny percentage of the strikes lets Trump off the hook for ordering the strikes in the first place, and turns Hegseth into a scapegoat, protecting Trump.

                    Trump is a mass murderer, he ordered the deaths of innocent civilians on civilian boats in a time of peace without any reason or evidence.

                    Why is the media in denial about this? Why are they so eager to cover up murder?

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                    #31

                    @FediThing

                    > Trump is a mass murderer

                    Was long before he started this term in office, too. Go back to his handling of the pandemic. The only difference is now he's using weapons instead of letting a virus do the dirty work.

                    @mattblaze

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                    • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                      @FediThing That’s the problem for the administration here. If this was a military conflict, they violated the laws of war. If it wasn’t, it violated international law in other ways. Either way, it was criminal.

                      The article I linked to explains this in some detail.

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                      #32

                      @mattblaze I think the main problem is the administration does not care to obey the law - in fact they scorn it - and there is no effective mechanism holding them to account. They commit heinous crimes with impunity.

                      Murder ✅
                      Perfidy ✅
                      Trump: 🤷

                      @FediThing

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                      • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                        Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

                        https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

                        Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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                        #33

                        @mattblaze
                        "But he noted that the United States considers perfidy to be a crime in noninternational armed conflicts: It charged a Guantánamo detainee before a military commission with that offense over Al Qaeda’s 2000 attack on the U.S.S. Cole, in which militants in a small boat floated a hidden bomb up to the side of the warship while waving in a friendly manner."

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                        • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                          Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

                          https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

                          Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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                          #34

                          @mattblaze "The home of the brave"

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                          • m0rpk@mastodon.radioM m0rpk@mastodon.radio

                            @mattblaze I think the main problem is the administration does not care to obey the law - in fact they scorn it - and there is no effective mechanism holding them to account. They commit heinous crimes with impunity.

                            Murder ✅
                            Perfidy ✅
                            Trump: 🤷

                            @FediThing

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                            #35

                            @m0rpk @FediThing For the nth time, when someone replies with some variation on “it doesn’t matter because they don’t care”: I know they don’t care. The reason to call out their lawlessness isn’t because I think they care. It’s because I think YOU should care.

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