I miss the #internet of the early #90s; the highlight probably being #IRC - #Internet Relay #Chat.
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@simonjust @fritjof https://mtrix.dk is running Synapse on Kubernetes. It's actually working quite well and I like the Matrix approach to P2P encryption, but I fear the climb is a little too steep for the average user. Of course it's a lot less complicated if you skip out on all the encryption stuff, but it's kind of their main selling point.
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@simonjust I went for synapse.
Have considered changing, but a bit scared og the process at the moment. @saustrup -
@simonjust @fritjof @saustrup instead of matrix, which seems somewhat unwieldy, I am considering setting up an XMPP server again.
That can also bridge to IRC if I need to perhaps through my bouncer, which would be nice.
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@simonjust @fritjof @saustrup instead of matrix, which seems somewhat unwieldy, I am considering setting up an XMPP server again.
That can also bridge to IRC if I need to perhaps through my bouncer, which would be nice.
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@simonjust @jazz @fritjof I ran ejabberd a decade (and a half?) ago. Absolutely rock solid piece of software. Everyone was free to join my server. Nobody did
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@simonjust @jazz @fritjof I ran ejabberd a decade (and a half?) ago. Absolutely rock solid piece of software. Everyone was free to join my server. Nobody did
@saustrup @jazz @fritjof Cool! Hehe, no it's pretty difficult to get people to join sometimes.
At one point Jabber/XMPP felt like it was everywhere, even in the early Facebook Messenger, but the guidelines for connecting with it was tucked away at the bottom of the Facebook docs. And then Zuckerberg probably figured out that he needed to tie people to the platform, so XMPP support was eventually phased out, but I did manage to test it shortly before it was.
We could have had more openness. I think, say, Mozilla wasted a great opportunity by not integrating an XMPP client directly into Netscape/Firefox to counter the Microsoft Skype buyout
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@saustrup @jazz @fritjof Cool! Hehe, no it's pretty difficult to get people to join sometimes.
At one point Jabber/XMPP felt like it was everywhere, even in the early Facebook Messenger, but the guidelines for connecting with it was tucked away at the bottom of the Facebook docs. And then Zuckerberg probably figured out that he needed to tie people to the platform, so XMPP support was eventually phased out, but I did manage to test it shortly before it was.
We could have had more openness. I think, say, Mozilla wasted a great opportunity by not integrating an XMPP client directly into Netscape/Firefox to counter the Microsoft Skype buyout
@simonjust @jazz @fritjof Not sure a #Mozilla integration would benefit the cause - they added Matrix support to #Thunderbird, and it's not pretty. At all.
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@simonjust @jazz @fritjof Not sure a #Mozilla integration would benefit the cause - they added Matrix support to #Thunderbird, and it's not pretty. At all.
@saustrup @jazz @fritjof Yes, there's also IRC and XMPP support (I just noticed, LOL.. I've been using Thunderbird for many, many years).
But it's not really an visible, advertised feature, it just sits there in the sidebar - so I don't think people know it's there? It seems a bit out-of-place - I'd want the feature in a browser, I think. Hm, I need to test it
I agree that the integration is not pretty, but there's always this clash between having an abundance of features and then simplicity on the other side.
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@saustrup @jazz @fritjof Yes, there's also IRC and XMPP support (I just noticed, LOL.. I've been using Thunderbird for many, many years).
But it's not really an visible, advertised feature, it just sits there in the sidebar - so I don't think people know it's there? It seems a bit out-of-place - I'd want the feature in a browser, I think. Hm, I need to test it
I agree that the integration is not pretty, but there's always this clash between having an abundance of features and then simplicity on the other side.
@simonjust @saustrup @jazz currently fighting to get my XMPP server up and running. Was much more easy with matrix/synapse for me.
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@simonjust @saustrup @jazz currently fighting to get my XMPP server up and running. Was much more easy with matrix/synapse for me.
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@simonjust @fritjof @jazz Imagine running it on Kubernetes then!
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@simonjust @fritjof @jazz Imagine running it on Kubernetes then!
