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  3. A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

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  • cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

    A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

    Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

    The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

    We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

    grumble209@kolektiva.socialG cwebber@social.coopC mbpaz@mas.toM g@irrelephant.coG gooba42@mastodon.socialG 12 Replies Last reply
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    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

      RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

      A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

      Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

      The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

      We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

      grumble209@kolektiva.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
      grumble209@kolektiva.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
      grumble209@kolektiva.social
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #2

      @cwebber @sleepyowl When arbitrary code execution is outlawed, only outlaws will have arbitrary code execution.

      I know what camp I belong to.

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      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

        RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

        A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

        Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

        The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

        We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

        cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
        cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
        cwebber@social.coop
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #3

        I advocate for getting hackable open hardware stuff, and @sleepyowl is completely right that even the best options there still rely on supply chains we don't have enough control over, AND once those "resisting" become a small enough group, resisting becomes a lot more dangerous.

        That said, I think we should be taking a multi-pronged attack *now*, in every way imagineable:

        - Try to use *the most hackable hardware you can get* and contribute to making it a better experience
        - Support open firmware, hackable devices
        - Maybe it's time for the return of the install fest I dunno
        - Absolutely DO NOT run a proprietary operating system under any circumstances
        - FIGHT BACK ON THESE POLICIES! Contact your representatives, write articles, do whatever you gotta

        skrlet13@sc.skrlet13.xyzS theotheroracle@solarpunk.moeT lgsp@social.tchncs.deL suetanvil@freeradical.zoneS dain@hachyderm.ioD 5 Replies Last reply
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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

          A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

          Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

          The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

          We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

          mbpaz@mas.toM This user is from outside of this forum
          mbpaz@mas.toM This user is from outside of this forum
          mbpaz@mas.to
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #4

          @cwebber @sleepyowl

          In fact: this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY computing power we control AT ALL

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

            A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

            Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

            The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

            We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

            g@irrelephant.coG This user is from outside of this forum
            g@irrelephant.coG This user is from outside of this forum
            g@irrelephant.co
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #5

            @cwebber @sleepyowl @aparrish It’s not like we haven’t had a good preview with DRM and banking apps on alternate android distributions already so I don’t get those who don’t see that as potentially leading to complete loss of access either…

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            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

              RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

              A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

              Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

              The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

              We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

              gooba42@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
              gooba42@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
              gooba42@mastodon.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #6

              @cwebber @sleepyowl This is all part of the same effort that's locking down Android development and buying out all the storage, chips and RAM before consumers have a chance.

              This is the end run to kill all OSS by forcing us to rent compute and storage, then beg permission to participate.

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              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                I advocate for getting hackable open hardware stuff, and @sleepyowl is completely right that even the best options there still rely on supply chains we don't have enough control over, AND once those "resisting" become a small enough group, resisting becomes a lot more dangerous.

                That said, I think we should be taking a multi-pronged attack *now*, in every way imagineable:

                - Try to use *the most hackable hardware you can get* and contribute to making it a better experience
                - Support open firmware, hackable devices
                - Maybe it's time for the return of the install fest I dunno
                - Absolutely DO NOT run a proprietary operating system under any circumstances
                - FIGHT BACK ON THESE POLICIES! Contact your representatives, write articles, do whatever you gotta

                skrlet13@sc.skrlet13.xyzS This user is from outside of this forum
                skrlet13@sc.skrlet13.xyzS This user is from outside of this forum
                skrlet13@sc.skrlet13.xyz
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #7

                @cwebber
                https://flisol.info/InstallFest ❤

                I don't know if you have an equivalent of the Festival Latinoamericano de Instalación de Software Libre, but there's a install festival in Latinoamerica with presentations too. It is organized by volunteers yearly

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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                  A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                  Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                  The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                  We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                  L This user is from outside of this forum
                  L This user is from outside of this forum
                  luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #8

                  @cwebber @sleepyowl Think again: maybe you're already updating systems with CPU and GPU microcode that's there to slip in some backdoor.

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                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                    RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                    A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                    Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                    The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                    We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                    suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.comS This user is from outside of this forum
                    suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.comS This user is from outside of this forum
                    suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #9
                    @cwebber @sleepyowl If you're running an "open source" OS instead of a free software OS, you've already failed - as businesses already have control over the software
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                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                      I advocate for getting hackable open hardware stuff, and @sleepyowl is completely right that even the best options there still rely on supply chains we don't have enough control over, AND once those "resisting" become a small enough group, resisting becomes a lot more dangerous.

                      That said, I think we should be taking a multi-pronged attack *now*, in every way imagineable:

                      - Try to use *the most hackable hardware you can get* and contribute to making it a better experience
                      - Support open firmware, hackable devices
                      - Maybe it's time for the return of the install fest I dunno
                      - Absolutely DO NOT run a proprietary operating system under any circumstances
                      - FIGHT BACK ON THESE POLICIES! Contact your representatives, write articles, do whatever you gotta

                      theotheroracle@solarpunk.moeT This user is from outside of this forum
                      theotheroracle@solarpunk.moeT This user is from outside of this forum
                      theotheroracle@solarpunk.moe
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #10

                      @cwebber @sleepyowl
                      😣😣😣 open semiconductor fabs when ,

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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                        A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                        Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                        The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                        We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                        skellysoft@mastodon.gamedev.placeS This user is from outside of this forum
                        skellysoft@mastodon.gamedev.placeS This user is from outside of this forum
                        skellysoft@mastodon.gamedev.place
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #11

                        @cwebber @sleepyowl genuinely as time goes on I'm wondering if its a good idea to have at least one strictly offline device/machine

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                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                          RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                          A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                          Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                          The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                          We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                          raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
                          raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
                          raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
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                          #12

                          @cwebber @sleepyowl
                          Age verification is a loss of privacy to big US Corporations and to your Government for all Adults.

                          "Think of the children" is purely an excuse for surveillance. It's up to parents to "police" child access to technology or Internet, or books, or music. No-one else.

                          This is a denial of human rights for all adults.

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                          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                            I advocate for getting hackable open hardware stuff, and @sleepyowl is completely right that even the best options there still rely on supply chains we don't have enough control over, AND once those "resisting" become a small enough group, resisting becomes a lot more dangerous.

                            That said, I think we should be taking a multi-pronged attack *now*, in every way imagineable:

                            - Try to use *the most hackable hardware you can get* and contribute to making it a better experience
                            - Support open firmware, hackable devices
                            - Maybe it's time for the return of the install fest I dunno
                            - Absolutely DO NOT run a proprietary operating system under any circumstances
                            - FIGHT BACK ON THESE POLICIES! Contact your representatives, write articles, do whatever you gotta

                            lgsp@social.tchncs.deL This user is from outside of this forum
                            lgsp@social.tchncs.deL This user is from outside of this forum
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                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #13

                            @cwebber @sleepyowl

                            Great insight! Where is Bunnie Huang? We need more people like you and him, I think. Hack everything!

                            How is the MNT reform fro this pont of view?

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                            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                              RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                              A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                              Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                              The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                              We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                              pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.comP This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14
                              @cwebber @sleepyowl Had a nightmare exactly about this today
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                              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                I advocate for getting hackable open hardware stuff, and @sleepyowl is completely right that even the best options there still rely on supply chains we don't have enough control over, AND once those "resisting" become a small enough group, resisting becomes a lot more dangerous.

                                That said, I think we should be taking a multi-pronged attack *now*, in every way imagineable:

                                - Try to use *the most hackable hardware you can get* and contribute to making it a better experience
                                - Support open firmware, hackable devices
                                - Maybe it's time for the return of the install fest I dunno
                                - Absolutely DO NOT run a proprietary operating system under any circumstances
                                - FIGHT BACK ON THESE POLICIES! Contact your representatives, write articles, do whatever you gotta

                                suetanvil@freeradical.zoneS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #15

                                @cwebber @sleepyowl

                                This. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

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                                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                  RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                                  A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                                  Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                                  The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                                  We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                                  joeyh@sunbeam.cityJ This user is from outside of this forum
                                  joeyh@sunbeam.cityJ This user is from outside of this forum
                                  joeyh@sunbeam.city
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #16

                                  @cwebber @sleepyowl nobody is gonna prevent you from playing with your free softwares on your purple fisher-price laptop. It just cannot load any of the top 1000 websites (or anything on cloudflare), because they all require remote attestation of an adult OS.

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                                  • theotheroracle@solarpunk.moeT theotheroracle@solarpunk.moe

                                    @cwebber @sleepyowl
                                    😣😣😣 open semiconductor fabs when ,

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                                    #17

                                    @cwebber @sleepyowl i know its not super feasible , but i don't see any other way out of this

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                                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                      I advocate for getting hackable open hardware stuff, and @sleepyowl is completely right that even the best options there still rely on supply chains we don't have enough control over, AND once those "resisting" become a small enough group, resisting becomes a lot more dangerous.

                                      That said, I think we should be taking a multi-pronged attack *now*, in every way imagineable:

                                      - Try to use *the most hackable hardware you can get* and contribute to making it a better experience
                                      - Support open firmware, hackable devices
                                      - Maybe it's time for the return of the install fest I dunno
                                      - Absolutely DO NOT run a proprietary operating system under any circumstances
                                      - FIGHT BACK ON THESE POLICIES! Contact your representatives, write articles, do whatever you gotta

                                      dain@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      dain@hachyderm.io
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                                      #18

                                      @cwebber @sleepyowl do you happen to know if Google could decide to lock the bootloader of a Pixel phone with a software update?

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                                      • joeyh@sunbeam.cityJ joeyh@sunbeam.city

                                        @cwebber @sleepyowl nobody is gonna prevent you from playing with your free softwares on your purple fisher-price laptop. It just cannot load any of the top 1000 websites (or anything on cloudflare), because they all require remote attestation of an adult OS.

                                        cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        @joeyh @sleepyowl I mean, for most people, and most of the time, that's the same thing

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                                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                          RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                                          A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                                          Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                                          The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                                          We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                                          gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG This user is from outside of this forum
                                          gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG This user is from outside of this forum
                                          gimulnautti@mastodon.green
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #20

                                          @cwebber @sleepyowl Age verification is the trojan horse for absolute surveillance

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