Questions for European Union citizens.
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Questions for European Union citizens.
In Iceland the discussion on EU accession is always slowly brewing. These days a bit more than before.
Yet while Iceland is part of the common market and implemented Schengen the end of the Cod Wars were only 50 years ago.
Do you think the EU and Iceland should have even closer ties, and discuss Iceland eventually joining the EU as a full member?
@Pepijn I think only the eastern part of Iceland can join, the western part is on the North American plate.
On a serious note, they are welcome but this is something the people of Iceland have to decide on.
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@Pepijn This is a question for the people of Iceland in first place. As I have understood Iceland is not interested, as full membership would impose restrictions on fishery and suchlike.
@kallekn I'd say accession is a question for all citizens involved. Both the EU citizens and the Icelandic citizens. If either group disagrees a change in status should not happen.
>As I have understood Iceland is not interested, as full membership would impose restrictions on fishery and suchlike.
That's been a part of the debate. There's a lot more though. Another big one f.e. is how much being a EFTA EEA member gives them rules, but not as much influence on those as an EU member has.
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@Pepijn I think only the eastern part of Iceland can join, the western part is on the North American plate.
On a serious note, they are welcome but this is something the people of Iceland have to decide on.
>I think only the eastern part of Iceland can join, the western part is on the North American plate.
lol
>On a serious note, they are welcome but this is something the people of Iceland have to decide on.
The question was about accession talks, not the actual decision. You don't think the current citizens of the EU should (via their representatives) also have a say in whether to start these talks?
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>I think only the eastern part of Iceland can join, the western part is on the North American plate.
lol
>On a serious note, they are welcome but this is something the people of Iceland have to decide on.
The question was about accession talks, not the actual decision. You don't think the current citizens of the EU should (via their representatives) also have a say in whether to start these talks?
@Pepijn they already have a say in it afaik, at least the Dutch parliament does have votes on these matters.
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Questions for European Union citizens.
In Iceland the discussion on EU accession is always slowly brewing. These days a bit more than before.
Yet while Iceland is part of the common market and implemented Schengen the end of the Cod Wars were only 50 years ago.
Do you think the EU and Iceland should have even closer ties, and discuss Iceland eventually joining the EU as a full member?
@Pepijn Being subject to more EU regulations around fishing would be a clear downside to a country like Iceland, so would the benefit of having a tiny bit more influence and say on EU law be worth it? Given that EU voting power is in part based on population size, I guess their impact on legislation would be fairly small so overall probably not worth it? Which additional benefits would there be as they are already part of the economic area and Schengen? Ability to adopt the Euro? Other non EU countries have already adopted the Euro as their currency (the European microstates even print their own euros, and some Balkan countries use it as currency despite not printing it themselves)
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@Pepijn they already have a say in it afaik, at least the Dutch parliament does have votes on these matters.
@smveerman Yes. That's what I meant with "via their representatives"*
*Not ever again with an "advisory" referendum that then afterwards is taken as "legally binding will of the people" like the shit show we had in 2016 in the Netherlands.
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@Pepijn Being subject to more EU regulations around fishing would be a clear downside to a country like Iceland, so would the benefit of having a tiny bit more influence and say on EU law be worth it? Given that EU voting power is in part based on population size, I guess their impact on legislation would be fairly small so overall probably not worth it? Which additional benefits would there be as they are already part of the economic area and Schengen? Ability to adopt the Euro? Other non EU countries have already adopted the Euro as their currency (the European microstates even print their own euros, and some Balkan countries use it as currency despite not printing it themselves)
@Timo_Micro Maybe. The weighing of benefits for them is up to them.
Just like Norway with its oil, Iceland is a rich country providing a high level of material & societal comfort. As long as the debate revolves around whether the EU would basically "steal their wealth" it might be that (also from an EU citizens perspective) it's not worth having it.
From the EU side: a genuine debate around accession might stir up enough detritus to rethink the fisheries policy into a more regional one.
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Questions for European Union citizens.
In Iceland the discussion on EU accession is always slowly brewing. These days a bit more than before.
Yet while Iceland is part of the common market and implemented Schengen the end of the Cod Wars were only 50 years ago.
Do you think the EU and Iceland should have even closer ties, and discuss Iceland eventually joining the EU as a full member?
*"I think Iceland & the EU should have accession talks" is not "I think we should force the Icelandic people to join the EU at gunpoint".
It's about whether you, as an EU citizen, see value in opening the talks about full membership.
The same question can naturally be asked to Icelandic citizens. And it often is, and if you're interested many articles can found about that in news outlets
And on the Cod Wars:
https://mastodon.online/@Pepijn/112919535086129823 -
*"I think Iceland & the EU should have accession talks" is not "I think we should force the Icelandic people to join the EU at gunpoint".
It's about whether you, as an EU citizen, see value in opening the talks about full membership.
The same question can naturally be asked to Icelandic citizens. And it often is, and if you're interested many articles can found about that in news outlets
And on the Cod Wars:
https://mastodon.online/@Pepijn/112919535086129823@Pepijn It would obviously be nice to have Iceland in the union, if the Icelandic people should want that. And naturally we should be open to opening accession talks, but the initiative must come from Iceland. There has not been such an initiative yet, as far as I know.
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@Pepijn It would obviously be nice to have Iceland in the union, if the Icelandic people should want that. And naturally we should be open to opening accession talks, but the initiative must come from Iceland. There has not been such an initiative yet, as far as I know.
>And naturally we should be open to opening accession talks,
That's the question. I personally agree with that sentiment. However, in the recent past it was shown that many current EU citizens were not "naturally" open to this. And even in this thread multiple arguments where given on why Iceland might not "fit". So that's why I ask.
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>And naturally we should be open to opening accession talks,
That's the question. I personally agree with that sentiment. However, in the recent past it was shown that many current EU citizens were not "naturally" open to this. And even in this thread multiple arguments where given on why Iceland might not "fit". So that's why I ask.
@Pepijn Interesting. I cannot see any downsides to having Iceland in the union. If the fishery issues can be resolved, that is.
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Questions for European Union citizens.
In Iceland the discussion on EU accession is always slowly brewing. These days a bit more than before.
Yet while Iceland is part of the common market and implemented Schengen the end of the Cod Wars were only 50 years ago.
Do you think the EU and Iceland should have even closer ties, and discuss Iceland eventually joining the EU as a full member?
@Pepijn I want all of my nordic brothers and sisters to be in the same club as me
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