Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
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@randahl definitely beginning to happen here in the UK. Tesco started it with special “Tesco Clubcard” prices.
@stilvoid @randahl Ah yeah I forgot about Tesco Clubcard stuff — I go there too rarely even when at home. It feels like Tesco is slightly more expensive than Aldi and Lidl anyway (even on non-dual-priced items), and then the clubcard beep will make the few items be slightly cheaper than the competition, or you get a 2 loafs of bread for the price of one kind of deal on items you practically never want more of in one purchase XD
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@piratenpanda @khw @randahl Yeah I feel like things like Lidl Plus or the Rewe card mostly don't affect the prices directly (haven't really seen dual priced items but maybe I haven't paid attention — certainly not as much as Tesco Clubcard as mentioned by Stilvoid, but even that is just on a few dozen items anyway), but give limited bundle discounts or such.
Different incentive, feels less like extortion.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
@randahl I made a complaint a couple of years ago.
"the view of the DPC is that not being forced to part with personal data in order to avail of XXX products or services nor is the XXX card a barrier to avail of products."The Handbook on European Data Protection Law" (page 145) touches on the scenario that you have raised as below:
are not serious enough to prevent the data subject’s free choice (provided price reduction small enough not to affect free choice).
https://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2018/handbook-european-data-protection-law-2018-edition
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@owiecc @randahl or use someone else shared card
https://nocard.cz/@petrjezek124
It's often app-based rather than by card. Apps are very popular with businesses as they are optimized for data extraction.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
@randahl
Yeah, I know those customer card/app offers.
It was not that recognisable i. germany, but here in Ireland it has sometimes a huge impact on products in regular groceries. One has to be always careful by reduced prices, because most of them are connected to the customer card/app.
We never took part in this schemes and will never do so. -
Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
The supermarket chain by me does that for the sale prices. You have to have the chain's loyalty card in order to get sometimes a 60-70% discount, or a by 3 get one free. It's been that way for at least a decade.
Sure there's data mining, but if they really wanted to silence this voter through such mining, they'll keep giving me four 12-packs of soda for $16 US and then wait twenty years for the sugar to knock me off.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
@randahl So what brought you to Sport24 my good friend?
I once needed a gym bag. Went to Sport24, and there was a nice bag for 400kr. On the inside, there was an old tag from a previous sale/discount at 180kr.
I didn’t remove anything. I just made the old tag more visible/prominent and the new/more expensive one more inside the bag.
Still not a member.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
In the USA, I give the phone number of (local area code) 867-5309, for Jenny Two-Tone.
That works almost everywhere.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
@randahl It happens in supermarkets with food prices in the UK. Loyalty cards offer a lower price on many items.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
@randahl Have not seen that in the US yet. I would avoid any store with that marketing technique.
There are store digital discount clubs, mostly for groceries, that give weekly discounts to members only.
They require an email address, so it is similar to what you describe. -
The supermarket chain by me does that for the sale prices. You have to have the chain's loyalty card in order to get sometimes a 60-70% discount, or a by 3 get one free. It's been that way for at least a decade.
Sure there's data mining, but if they really wanted to silence this voter through such mining, they'll keep giving me four 12-packs of soda for $16 US and then wait twenty years for the sugar to knock me off.
@syferdet @randahl We've had those a long time, but you could always avoid tying them to any real-world identity by just never returning the sign-up form or asking for and permanently using a guest card. Some even have a "forgot card" option to bypass it and still get the "discounts". They mostly rely on a large enough portion of ppl following the least-friction path, ala The Matrix, as an optimal way to hold onto control.
Nowadays with any resemblance of regulation having fallen apart I assume they tie payment cards to tracking information anyway and the "loyalty cards" are only intended to mine customers who pay in cash.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
For Germany
No, at least not to the extent you describe
In Germany, there are some options involving apps and such, but they don't come close to offering the same savingsIt's crazy that they do it that way in Denmark
But I can easily imagine that many others will follow suit, no matter where -
@randahl Do you have any articles (Danish is fine) about this?
Would love to reference when sending a letter to MP in Canada regarding the idea of regulation around dynamic pricing (which is currently being discussed).Buying bread, should not require knowing who I am
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
@randahl
And it's getting complicated to poison the well when they want a responded to SMS, or verified citizen/resident number -
@randahl First Ive heard of it, but its likely on the way. 100% markup seems steep but I could easily see it being a thing here in the states.
I mean, isn't this what most US based grocery chains are doing with their loyalty cards? it's not always a 100% markup, but most of the sales at Safeway/Albertsons chains or Kroger chains are effectively only good for 'members' who have provided their phone number.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
@randahl This is common. One trick is for people to register but to trade and share the registration credentials and thus polluting the database.
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I mean, isn't this what most US based grocery chains are doing with their loyalty cards? it's not always a 100% markup, but most of the sales at Safeway/Albertsons chains or Kroger chains are effectively only good for 'members' who have provided their phone number.
@IrrationalMethod @randahl you know, i thought of that after i posted my reply, and you're right. They do that to us already on a lesser scale. It was the 100% part that threw me for a loop - i can see US businesses upping the ante like that.
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In the USA, I give the phone number of (local area code) 867-5309, for Jenny Two-Tone.
That works almost everywhere.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
@randahl nope, never heard of this. That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
Are the prices in that particular shop very high either way? It's basically a 10 000% markup on any type of clothing anyways.
