Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
@randahl Have not seen that in the US yet. I would avoid any store with that marketing technique.
There are store digital discount clubs, mostly for groceries, that give weekly discounts to members only.
They require an email address, so it is similar to what you describe. -
The supermarket chain by me does that for the sale prices. You have to have the chain's loyalty card in order to get sometimes a 60-70% discount, or a by 3 get one free. It's been that way for at least a decade.
Sure there's data mining, but if they really wanted to silence this voter through such mining, they'll keep giving me four 12-packs of soda for $16 US and then wait twenty years for the sugar to knock me off.
@syferdet @randahl We've had those a long time, but you could always avoid tying them to any real-world identity by just never returning the sign-up form or asking for and permanently using a guest card. Some even have a "forgot card" option to bypass it and still get the "discounts". They mostly rely on a large enough portion of ppl following the least-friction path, ala The Matrix, as an optimal way to hold onto control.
Nowadays with any resemblance of regulation having fallen apart I assume they tie payment cards to tracking information anyway and the "loyalty cards" are only intended to mine customers who pay in cash.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
For Germany
No, at least not to the extent you describe
In Germany, there are some options involving apps and such, but they don't come close to offering the same savingsIt's crazy that they do it that way in Denmark
But I can easily imagine that many others will follow suit, no matter where -
@randahl Do you have any articles (Danish is fine) about this?
Would love to reference when sending a letter to MP in Canada regarding the idea of regulation around dynamic pricing (which is currently being discussed).Buying bread, should not require knowing who I am
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
@randahl
And it's getting complicated to poison the well when they want a responded to SMS, or verified citizen/resident number -
@randahl First Ive heard of it, but its likely on the way. 100% markup seems steep but I could easily see it being a thing here in the states.
I mean, isn't this what most US based grocery chains are doing with their loyalty cards? it's not always a 100% markup, but most of the sales at Safeway/Albertsons chains or Kroger chains are effectively only good for 'members' who have provided their phone number.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
@randahl This is common. One trick is for people to register but to trade and share the registration credentials and thus polluting the database.
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I mean, isn't this what most US based grocery chains are doing with their loyalty cards? it's not always a 100% markup, but most of the sales at Safeway/Albertsons chains or Kroger chains are effectively only good for 'members' who have provided their phone number.
@IrrationalMethod @randahl you know, i thought of that after i posted my reply, and you're right. They do that to us already on a lesser scale. It was the 100% part that threw me for a loop - i can see US businesses upping the ante like that.
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In the USA, I give the phone number of (local area code) 867-5309, for Jenny Two-Tone.
That works almost everywhere.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
@randahl nope, never heard of this. That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
Are the prices in that particular shop very high either way? It's basically a 10 000% markup on any type of clothing anyways.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
Nope. (In France)
They will try to get as much info as possible out of you at the register though.
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@randahl Never seen anything like it. If I saw anything like this it would also be the very last time I’d ever set foot in said store.
@xerge that is what I thought… until many shops started doing this — then it got really hard to get around it.
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@xconde respect!
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One commenter wrote that such practice is not in the US yet, but it most definitely is. It’s typically called the member price and the nonmember price. The difference is typically 10-20%. There can be other differences, too. If a product is in high demand, members might have a higher limit on the number they can buy. You become a member by obtaining a loyalty card, which usually requires your name, address (so they can send you junk mail), phone number (which can stand in for your membership number so you don’t always have to have your card on you), and an email address (so they can send you junk email). I positively hated that system, and I’m sorry to report that it’s in Ukraine, too.
@djembro we really need a right not to be monitored.
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@randahl So what brought you to Sport24 my good friend?
I once needed a gym bag. Went to Sport24, and there was a nice bag for 400kr. On the inside, there was an old tag from a previous sale/discount at 180kr.
I didn’t remove anything. I just made the old tag more visible/prominent and the new/more expensive one more inside the bag.
Still not a member.
@teotwaki I was looking for a light windbreaker.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
@randahl I have never heard of anything that drastic, is that even legal?
In Germany, grocery stores like LIDL are providing discounts if one is using their mobile applications which (if they are smart) are bound to mobile phone numbers (which, in turn, cannot be acquired without identification). Apparently, that's what one's personal privacy is worth: 11 cents off of dairy products.
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@randahl
Nope, nothing like that in Germany, as far as I can tell -
@randahl Do you have any articles (Danish is fine) about this?
Would love to reference when sending a letter to MP in Canada regarding the idea of regulation around dynamic pricing (which is currently being discussed).Buying bread, should not require knowing who I am
@leroy actually I have neither written nor read any articles on this topic. It did not exist 5 years ago, but I see it more and more, so there will probably be a debate on this.
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Today I was in a sportswear shop in Denmark, where all items had two prices:
— A normal price which came with the requirement that you registered with them, so they can data mine your purchases.
— An almost 100 percent higher price which was offered to anyone who did not want to have their data mined.
I truly loathe this, but it is becoming more and more common in large retail chains in my country. Are you seeing this in your country as well?
What I often see these days, both online and in high street shops, is that you can buy certain items at a discount with a so-called membership. There are websites (Casio Watches, for example) that won’t sell a product unless you take a membership. You see this happening in other sectors too, such as pizza chains. No membership, no deal. The fact that a shop decides whether you’re allowed to buy something is pure gaslighting, and I wonder if it’s even legal in the EU.
