Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe?
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@danieldk @EUCommission they will come around eventually I hope. Trust me I want to be able to pick a different model. What worries me is a regulator meddling in unnecessarily.
Also in the end, the reality of the matter is that both Apple and the EU want to protect me, and I end up without the features I want. Let me be an adult, I can take care of myself and make my own choices.
@webjac @EUCommission Yes, but it is Apple who is taking away your choices here. If Apple had:
- Opened up the APIs to other providers.
- If they are concerned about privacy [1], added some toggles per provider what data you want to share and what not.It would be compliant with EU laws and you could pick your models today.
Apple only uses privacy as an excuse to shut out competition. If they cared, they had enabled E2E encryption for iCloud backups by default years ago.
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@webjac @EUCommission Yes, but it is Apple who is taking away your choices here. If Apple had:
- Opened up the APIs to other providers.
- If they are concerned about privacy [1], added some toggles per provider what data you want to share and what not.It would be compliant with EU laws and you could pick your models today.
Apple only uses privacy as an excuse to shut out competition. If they cared, they had enabled E2E encryption for iCloud backups by default years ago.
@webjac @EUCommission On the latter point, US law enforcement can request all your (e.g. through the CLOUD Act) iMessage and WhatsApp messages because probably most people you communicate with do not have ADP enabled.
If they really cared about privacy, they would close these trivial holes. But instead they have 'what happens on iPhone stays on iPhone', while your data goes to a cloud in reach of the US government with only encryption at rest.
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@zsolt @mr_harm @EUCommission @gklka Why not take the other position - that predatory companies should be reconsidered?
@richlv @mr_harm @EUCommission @gklka I don’t consider Apple predatory from their customer point of view. Of course they are profit oriented as any other corporation.
Since my workflow is centered around Apple devices and I like their products, I prefer using their devices. As a developer, I’m well-aware of the offerings of other companies, but I don’t like what they have.
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@tevo @danieldk @EUCommission according to them, for iPhone mirroring, they say that the EU regulators will ask them to also offer that for android.
And they “can’t” offer it to android.
The DMA requires paltform marked as marketplaces to offer the same apis they use to competitors, and that’s the rule they’re fighting with.
They say it’s privacy, but there’s a big “competitive advantage” component to it
@webjac @tevo @EUCommission That frankly seems like a nonsense argument. If it were true, they would also have to support AirDrop and other continuity features on Android.
The iPhone mirroring was one of their continuous attempts to try to rile up EU citizens against the DMA/DSA, which, judging from this discussion, they succeeded in to some extend.
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@danieldk @EUCommission they will come around eventually I hope. Trust me I want to be able to pick a different model. What worries me is a regulator meddling in unnecessarily.
Also in the end, the reality of the matter is that both Apple and the EU want to protect me, and I end up without the features I want. Let me be an adult, I can take care of myself and make my own choices.
@webjac @danieldk @EUCommission Since when does apple want to protect users? Ever since the iPhone they started claiming to protect users while tightening the leash.
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@d4v you have obviously missed the message here: Apple wants to take the choice from you, EU wants you to be able to choose. Simple as that. Saying "Damn EU I don't want to have a free choice give me my apple dictated device" sounds a bit ... lobotomized. @EUCommission
@Ilka4You @EUCommission No, it’s not. For the past decade, Apple’s features alone were perfectly fine, and we never needed any third parties involved in the core functions. They should just leave it that way. Forcing this change is as absurd as requiring car manufacturers to let you swap engines from other brands, just because we’re in the EU and supposedly must have the option to choose which engine we want in our car. How stupid that would be?
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@webjac @EUCommission Yes, but it is Apple who is taking away your choices here. If Apple had:
- Opened up the APIs to other providers.
- If they are concerned about privacy [1], added some toggles per provider what data you want to share and what not.It would be compliant with EU laws and you could pick your models today.
Apple only uses privacy as an excuse to shut out competition. If they cared, they had enabled E2E encryption for iCloud backups by default years ago.
@danieldk @EUCommission they both are. In the end I’m left with less choice
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@webjac @danieldk @EUCommission Since when does apple want to protect users? Ever since the iPhone they started claiming to protect users while tightening the leash.
@afx @danieldk @EUCommission since when does. A government want to protect their people? I’m suspicious of both!
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@Doomstrike a shortened clip is tailored for SM - who wants to watch multiple hours context to a simple topic on SM? (This is how long those sessions usually go.) Just use your common sense and research. It took me 3 seconds to find a 2 minute video with the complete topic for you - it doesn't add anything to the shortened version and if you want to make sure you are not given the full poicture, just research. 3 seconds is all it takes.
@EUCommission@Ilka4You @EUCommission
Thanks, I find the 3min clip so much better, framed with question etc.
The whole franken-clip thing that seems to be the norm everywhere I just find jarring.
Reminds me of Max Headroom (of which I wasn't a fan) -
Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission This makes me proud to be European. -
@EUCommission So the only US company that actually makes PRIVACY a sales argument is effectively blocked in the EU for using AI (from Google)?
So, in the EU I’m not allowed to make that decision by myself? If I decide to be in a walled garden, let me be in a walled garden.Sorry, but this all looks to me like failed damage control by the EU commission. I’ll have to move my iCloud to an Emirates iCloud to circumvent this paternalistic nonsense.
PS: the EU could have had it all if only policy makers would have realized that the Acorn computer was pure gold (back in 1985).
@Paul_Harts, you got it backwards.
You must first be given an option to choose, before you can decide to choose Apple/Google's walled garden.
Just to make it even clearer: If you're not given the possibility to choose, you cannot choose. You are forced.
If EU doesn't have such hard requirements, Apple (and other BigTech companies) will never ever do anything else than what pleases them alone.
By the way,, Europe do provide several sovereign European alternatives to iCloud as well. But it won't necessarily be too easy with iPhones, because Apple doesn't believe in giving their users freedom to choose for themselves.
Apple is the the guardian of paternalistic nonsense.
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission Can we have a legally enforceable ‘opt-out’ option for any and all “AI” slop?
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission In case anyone forgets what a government is actually for, watch it again. Trickle-down economy and auto-regulated market be damned! Takes a government to prevent abuses. When it remembers its role of course. The day we're able to stop voting from fear and hate is the day we'll get results from the people we elect. There is no providential person to save us all, only smart voters choosing the right team (and I don’t mean party).
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@mtconleyuk @EUCommission just don’t use it?
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission Glad you're clearing up Apple's disinformation.
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@liquor_american @EUCommission The quintessential “what-about” argument. I'm not crying, but you are right now.
@kepten @EUCommission I bet you really wish your reply made sense. Cry harder *and* try harder
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission did you ask the EU citizens if they even wanted to choose a different AI provider?
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@lelehier @EUCommission Not afraid of choice. People try to explain why Apple refuses to offer the choice. They implemented their own AI features in a way that they can’t ever access your data. If they open those APIs up to other vendors, they provide them with full access to nearly all data on your device. Apple can’t control what those vendors do with that data. They could easily offer the choice, but how would they warn an average user about what that would mean for access to their data?
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@phillip @rzeta0 @EUCommission they absolutely are.
I HATE how Apple is managing the App Store, it’s the most greedy-corporate asshole thing they do.
Just because I’m defending apple against the EU on the DMA means they’re doing things right in other aspects. Don’t get me wrong.
The difference I see here is that apple is a private company, does not need to have a free market marketplace if they don’t want to. It’s wrong and stupid, but it’s their choice to do so.
@webjac @phillip @rzeta0 @EUCommission It a weird reasoning to say it's a free market so private companies can elect to lock it in every way they see fit. The way I see it is that it's not only a free OS market but also a free browser market, a free office software market, etc. That is what the EU is trying to protect. That being said Apple is able to provide this smooth experience for its users because it can control every aspects of it, so I also can understand their frustration with the EU.
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@rzeta0 @Ombligoelemento @EUCommission yes, exactly, let people vote with their wallets.
@webjac @rzeta0 @Ombligoelemento @EUCommission I hate this statement "vote with your wallet". That was never an option. Wanna have low-sugar soft drinks? Have fun to vote for them with your wallet while the supermarket offers you hundreds of brands that *all* have basically the same ingredients. Wanna have a smartphone device that allows you to choose every software running on it yourself? Have fun finding one, as all big brands from Android to iphone force you zo use their app store.
