"A study of physicians in Poland who specialize in endoscopy — the use of flexible probes to examine the inside of the human body — shows how quickly AI tools can erode human abilities.
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@mu @remixtures You seem to be implying machines don't do "it" better... what "it" are we talking about?
Anything at all? Clearly you would be wrong.
Coding? They certainly can do it better / faster... at the same time they can produce crap if not treated how you would treat a junior on your team.
ML colon cancer matching? The article doesn't really say. Presumably if they're using it on real scans of real humans, they have some minimal experience-based faith in it.
It's good at what it's good at... generally over time those things will increase. If every single thing about AI has to be met with a sneer, eventually reality is going to intrude in an unlubed way.
@hopeless @remixtures you were the one who said "it" in your post?
I think LLMs can generate (bad) code, I don't think that's the same as writing software.
There used to be a saying "bad coders measure lines of code, good coders measure how many lines they delete, great coders measure how many lines of code they don't write" by that logic, I think LLMs are bad coders.
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@hopeless @remixtures you were the one who said "it" in your post?
I think LLMs can generate (bad) code, I don't think that's the same as writing software.
There used to be a saying "bad coders measure lines of code, good coders measure how many lines they delete, great coders measure how many lines of code they don't write" by that logic, I think LLMs are bad coders.
@hopeless @remixtures why do you think it's going to get better? It's pretty much hit a plateau for more than a year now.
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@donaldball @wandrecanada @remixtures But they're not automating innovation, they're automating duplication of effort.
Well they‘re not automating de-duplication of effort. That seems pretty sure.
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@steviesyerda @remixtures I mean, I think I get that, but for medical diagnosis, it's bad to reduce quality, and if you increase quantity, that multiplies the bad effect of the loss in quality.
The less money they spend on actually helping people, the more profits they make
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the whole point of Fordism was to gain control of skilled labour, de-skill it onto an assembly line and thus gain control over the intensity and outputs from production. What was lost were the artisan trade skills. My comment was reflecting a similar change in the article and study. Professionals being de-skilled, potentially higher productivity using technology, but possibly a loss of quality replaced by a gain of quantity in assessments.
The only difference between AI and earlier technologies is that the earlier technologies had economies of scale. They got cheaper the more infrastructure you built for them. This is a big factor in monopolization that started in the 1800s, with things like the emergence of machinery, large scale chemical engineering, and the development of railroads. It was cost effective to companies of all kinds to build out infrastructure and machinery because they paid out more than they originally put into it. (Ignoring the cost of externalities, anyways) (Why should we care about the proles /s)
AI does not have this benefit. It is objectively a money pit that is owned by a small handful of companies that is in addition propped up by predatory pricing. When the companies actually have to pay the cost of AI then they will stop using it
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The only difference between AI and earlier technologies is that the earlier technologies had economies of scale. They got cheaper the more infrastructure you built for them. This is a big factor in monopolization that started in the 1800s, with things like the emergence of machinery, large scale chemical engineering, and the development of railroads. It was cost effective to companies of all kinds to build out infrastructure and machinery because they paid out more than they originally put into it. (Ignoring the cost of externalities, anyways) (Why should we care about the proles /s)
AI does not have this benefit. It is objectively a money pit that is owned by a small handful of companies that is in addition propped up by predatory pricing. When the companies actually have to pay the cost of AI then they will stop using it
AI does not have the benefit to companies that is warranted by its actual economic costs.
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The only difference between AI and earlier technologies is that the earlier technologies had economies of scale. They got cheaper the more infrastructure you built for them. This is a big factor in monopolization that started in the 1800s, with things like the emergence of machinery, large scale chemical engineering, and the development of railroads. It was cost effective to companies of all kinds to build out infrastructure and machinery because they paid out more than they originally put into it. (Ignoring the cost of externalities, anyways) (Why should we care about the proles /s)
AI does not have this benefit. It is objectively a money pit that is owned by a small handful of companies that is in addition propped up by predatory pricing. When the companies actually have to pay the cost of AI then they will stop using it
@burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Please, stop spreading bullshit and try to be accurate -> https://aiweekly.co/alerts/five-chinese-ai-labs-cut-token-prices-up-to-99
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AI does not have the benefit to companies that is warranted by its actual economic costs.
@burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu
Sorry, that's because Western companies are dumb and adopt all kinds of proprietary technology that is being sold as AGI. https://restofworld.org/2026/when-americans-choose-chinese-ai/
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@burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Please, stop spreading bullshit and try to be accurate -> https://aiweekly.co/alerts/five-chinese-ai-labs-cut-token-prices-up-to-99
Even if the slop machines had no cost at point of use it would have a negative net benefit to society
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Even if the slop machines had no cost at point of use it would have a negative net benefit to society
The internet being polluted with AI slop is bad enough, even if the chatbots help you
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Even if the slop machines had no cost at point of use it would have a negative net benefit to society
@burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry, that position is for me reactionary. Any technology that automates human labour and can thus lead to a reduction of the number of working hours per week should be applauded. Human beings are not born to work; they're born to live and enjoy the richnesss of goods provided by this planet. Another thing, completely different, is to assess who controls that technology and for what purposes. And that is a completely different discussion that is sometimes totally ignored by this whole simplistic anti-AI rhetoric.
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The internet being polluted with AI slop is bad enough, even if the chatbots help you
@burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry, that is a lame excuse. Judging by that stance, we should have forbidden synthetizers, samplers, camcorders, and a whole new set of technologies just because it allowed normal human beings to create music, videos, etc.
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@burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry, that position is for me reactionary. Any technology that automates human labour and can thus lead to a reduction of the number of working hours per week should be applauded. Human beings are not born to work; they're born to live and enjoy the richnesss of goods provided by this planet. Another thing, completely different, is to assess who controls that technology and for what purposes. And that is a completely different discussion that is sometimes totally ignored by this whole simplistic anti-AI rhetoric.
I think it's counterproductive to promote a technology that creates more problems and more work for people than it solves
️Imagine how many global south people live in slavery just so you can satisfy your chat bot addiction
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I think it's counterproductive to promote a technology that creates more problems and more work for people than it solves
️Imagine how many global south people live in slavery just so you can satisfy your chat bot addiction
@burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry but, what "slavery" are you talking about? People in India, Nigeria, and indonesia LOVE AI -> https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/10/15/how-people-around-the-world-view-ai/
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Well they‘re not automating de-duplication of effort. That seems pretty sure.
@Landa @donaldball @wandrecanada @remixtures That is for sure. That's why you still need a brain doing most of the work, and that's why you can't let yourself get dumb.
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@Landa @donaldball @wandrecanada @remixtures That is for sure. That's why you still need a brain doing most of the work, and that's why you can't let yourself get dumb.
I guess it could be kind of difficult to notice when the machine one outsources thinking to degrades one‘s ability to think.
The developer of bcachefs thinks his LLM instance is conscious and in love with him, yet he seems pretty sure of his mental faculties.
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@burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry, that position is for me reactionary. Any technology that automates human labour and can thus lead to a reduction of the number of working hours per week should be applauded. Human beings are not born to work; they're born to live and enjoy the richnesss of goods provided by this planet. Another thing, completely different, is to assess who controls that technology and for what purposes. And that is a completely different discussion that is sometimes totally ignored by this whole simplistic anti-AI rhetoric.
@remixtures @burnoutqueen @steviesyerda
Do you think the companies renting out AI have that as a goal? Because companies don't normally have that as a goal.
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@burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry, that is a lame excuse. Judging by that stance, we should have forbidden synthetizers, samplers, camcorders, and a whole new set of technologies just because it allowed normal human beings to create music, videos, etc.
@remixtures @burnoutqueen @steviesyerda maybe if they had exploded onto the scene saying "synthesisers are going to replace all musicians, you should fire half of them right now and anyone who is not training to use a synthesiser is going to be left behind" then there would have been a bigger reaction against them?
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@burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry but, what "slavery" are you talking about? People in India, Nigeria, and indonesia LOVE AI -> https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/10/15/how-people-around-the-world-view-ai/
@remixtures @burnoutqueen @steviesyerda
There is at least one example of this
https://ia.acs.org.au/article/2025/the-company-whose--ai--was-actually-700-humans-in-india.html
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@wandrecanada @remixtures very true, but then of course the real metric has been "number of adenomas *correctly* identified" all along. And, of course, false positives are not exclusive to AI.
My stance on AI has many nuances, but I am highly skeptical of the "it makes us stupid" narrative. What is lost in some aspects due to acquired reliance must be gained in other aspects through increased available headspace from strategic offloading.
@renardboy @wandrecanada @remixtures Exactly this. We know a reasonable baseline for human performance. How does the performance of an #AI-assisted human compare? What about an AI working alone? I also want to know about the false negatives — the missed cancer detections. We want fewer, Do missed detections go up or down with AI assistance? Are the numbers consistent over time? I have to say that these studies are at best inconclusive. The sample population (of doctors) is far too small and it is not clear that the doctors who participated in the study are representative of the population of gastroenterologist doctors.
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