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A weird thing about living in #Massachusetts is constantly having other Americans tell you the life you live every day is impossible.

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  • andthisismrspeacock@mas.toA andthisismrspeacock@mas.to

    A weird thing about living in #Massachusetts is constantly having other Americans tell you the life you live every day is impossible.

    "You can't tax billionaires, they'll leave."

    We have been, and they didn't.

    "You can't legalize weed, it will increase crime."

    We did, and it didn't.

    "You can't make public transit free, it will cost too much."

    We did, and it didn't.

    And on and on, and the lesson to learn is don't listen to the billionaire media professional whiners and just do what's right for your community AND IT WORKS! But I still have to listen to this stupid shit every day.

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    #27

    @andthisismrspeacock I'm not an ecopath by training, but I have been trying to read up on it, and it's still a bit unclear to me what the loss is if some of the previously un-taxed billionaires move away when taxes are imposed?

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    • etchedpixels@mastodon.socialE etchedpixels@mastodon.social

      @ApostateEnglishman @andthisismrspeacock The thing the rich mostly value is time. You can't buy time. People who run a multimillion dollar yearly tab on private jets for that extra time are simply not going to move somewhere inconvenient just because their taxes went up. In fact they may not even notice. Their accountant has graphs that go up and down based on market shifts by vastly more than a tax change.

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      #28

      @etchedpixels

      I think you've hit the nail on the head.

      The flip side, being poor, is miserable because, in large part, your time is not your own, and what little time you do have, is spent on stupid crap that wealthier people can bypass.

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      • andthisismrspeacock@mas.toA andthisismrspeacock@mas.to

        A weird thing about living in #Massachusetts is constantly having other Americans tell you the life you live every day is impossible.

        "You can't tax billionaires, they'll leave."

        We have been, and they didn't.

        "You can't legalize weed, it will increase crime."

        We did, and it didn't.

        "You can't make public transit free, it will cost too much."

        We did, and it didn't.

        And on and on, and the lesson to learn is don't listen to the billionaire media professional whiners and just do what's right for your community AND IT WORKS! But I still have to listen to this stupid shit every day.

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        #29

        @andthisismrspeacock

        Even if the billionaires left, would that not be a bonus?

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        • adamvs1@mastodon.worldA adamvs1@mastodon.world

          @andthisismrspeacock This needs to be repeated even in so-called “Socialist” Canada. This stuff worked so well(subsidize ‘the poors’, etc) during the pandemic the billionaires went full-court press(pun intended) to say it didn’t.

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          #30

          @adamvs1

          This. So much this.

          Our government (US) was terrified of the George Floyd protests and what could happen if people weren't kept constantly scrabbling to make rent.

          They chose COVID denial to protect wealth and power structures, and people are continuing to die and become disabled because of it.

          @andthisismrspeacock

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          • swachter@toot.bostonS swachter@toot.boston

            @andthisismrspeacock Relatives talk about the scourge of fifteen minute cities and I’m like, I live in one, it’s amazing, I can walk to like eight libraries, twenty banks/ATMs, thirty grocery stores, and a literally uncountable number of good restaurants within two miles. Why would you not want this.

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            #31

            @swachter @andthisismrspeacock
            I also live in a 15 min city. Library, GP, dental , restaurants, cafes, everything we want within walking or bus ride

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            • guyjantic@infosec.exchangeG guyjantic@infosec.exchange

              @andthisismrspeacock "you can't have an accent out of some movie"

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              #32

              @guyjantic I dunno what yah tawhkin about guy

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              • human3500@ottawa.placeH human3500@ottawa.place

                @Muse_Lux
                It's weird how the US is so much about keeping people down, yet Americans think it's the greatest country in the world.

                I've never understood.

                There are a few categories where the US will be the best, but I don't think they are in the majority on categories good for their citizens / residents.
                @andthisismrspeacock

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                #33

                @human3500 @Muse_Lux Something I will never understand is not only not wanting nice things for yourself, but working so hard to make sure nobody else can have nice things, either.

                Like the 15 minute city thing. If you want to live in a chipboard-and-vinyl hellscape out by the six lane arterial, fine! Why insist on fucking with the people who don't want that?

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                • christo_459@mastodon.me.ukC christo_459@mastodon.me.uk

                  @swachter @andthisismrspeacock
                  I also live in a 15 min city. Library, GP, dental , restaurants, cafes, everything we want within walking or bus ride

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                  #34

                  @Christo_459 @swachter Idk sounds a lot like my snobby coastal elitist city where I can walk to the post office, hardware store, grocery, 7-11, liquor store, butcher, bakery, Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese, Italian, Sushi, Sports Pub, half a dozen pizza places, barber, dentist, salon, some coffee shops, and a vacuum cleaner repair place.

                  And everything else I can get to on the snobby coastal elitist bus or train, which I ride, elitistly. 😆

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                  • andthisismrspeacock@mas.toA andthisismrspeacock@mas.to

                    A weird thing about living in #Massachusetts is constantly having other Americans tell you the life you live every day is impossible.

                    "You can't tax billionaires, they'll leave."

                    We have been, and they didn't.

                    "You can't legalize weed, it will increase crime."

                    We did, and it didn't.

                    "You can't make public transit free, it will cost too much."

                    We did, and it didn't.

                    And on and on, and the lesson to learn is don't listen to the billionaire media professional whiners and just do what's right for your community AND IT WORKS! But I still have to listen to this stupid shit every day.

                    kiloku@burnthis.townK This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #35

                    @andthisismrspeacock
                    "You can't have public healthcare in a country as big as the US, it wouldn't work"
                    I'm Brazilian, we are the country closest in size to the US, we have public healthcare despite having fewer resources

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                    • swachter@toot.bostonS swachter@toot.boston

                      @andthisismrspeacock Relatives talk about the scourge of fifteen minute cities and I’m like, I live in one, it’s amazing, I can walk to like eight libraries, twenty banks/ATMs, thirty grocery stores, and a literally uncountable number of good restaurants within two miles. Why would you not want this.

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                      #36

                      @swachter @andthisismrspeacock Too many people. I've loved the cities I've lived in (NYC,DC, Portland,Seattle, among others) but more than half my time was spent alone (but not lonely) in my own space, decompressing from all the people.

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                      • andthisismrspeacock@mas.toA andthisismrspeacock@mas.to

                        @human3500 @Muse_Lux Something I will never understand is not only not wanting nice things for yourself, but working so hard to make sure nobody else can have nice things, either.

                        Like the 15 minute city thing. If you want to live in a chipboard-and-vinyl hellscape out by the six lane arterial, fine! Why insist on fucking with the people who don't want that?

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                        #37

                        @andthisismrspeacock
                        I hear you on that. I've talked to people that don't want bike lanes because they can't bike to work. Why? Because there aren't bike lanes for them to ride to work (and they choose to live 30 km from work).

                        It's madness. I am suffering so everyone should. Nothing should improve unless it improves for me first or all of us at once.
                        @Muse_Lux

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                        • andthisismrspeacock@mas.toA andthisismrspeacock@mas.to

                          A weird thing about living in #Massachusetts is constantly having other Americans tell you the life you live every day is impossible.

                          "You can't tax billionaires, they'll leave."

                          We have been, and they didn't.

                          "You can't legalize weed, it will increase crime."

                          We did, and it didn't.

                          "You can't make public transit free, it will cost too much."

                          We did, and it didn't.

                          And on and on, and the lesson to learn is don't listen to the billionaire media professional whiners and just do what's right for your community AND IT WORKS! But I still have to listen to this stupid shit every day.

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                          #38

                          @andthisismrspeacock how come i am still paying for public transit in mass?

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                          • jacksparrow@mastodon.onlineJ jacksparrow@mastodon.online

                            @andthisismrspeacock how come i am still paying for public transit in mass?

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                            #39

                            @jacksparrow I am assuming you live in the #MBTA district since every other RTA as far as I know is free, in which case the tl;dr answer is 'racism.'

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                            • andthisismrspeacock@mas.toA andthisismrspeacock@mas.to

                              A weird thing about living in #Massachusetts is constantly having other Americans tell you the life you live every day is impossible.

                              "You can't tax billionaires, they'll leave."

                              We have been, and they didn't.

                              "You can't legalize weed, it will increase crime."

                              We did, and it didn't.

                              "You can't make public transit free, it will cost too much."

                              We did, and it didn't.

                              And on and on, and the lesson to learn is don't listen to the billionaire media professional whiners and just do what's right for your community AND IT WORKS! But I still have to listen to this stupid shit every day.

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                              #40

                              @andthisismrspeacock Unfortunately, none of that "free public transit" was permanent.

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_public_transport_in_Massachusetts

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                              • andthisismrspeacock@mas.toA andthisismrspeacock@mas.to

                                @Christo_459 @swachter Idk sounds a lot like my snobby coastal elitist city where I can walk to the post office, hardware store, grocery, 7-11, liquor store, butcher, bakery, Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese, Italian, Sushi, Sports Pub, half a dozen pizza places, barber, dentist, salon, some coffee shops, and a vacuum cleaner repair place.

                                And everything else I can get to on the snobby coastal elitist bus or train, which I ride, elitistly. 😆

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                                #41

                                @andthisismrspeacock @Christo_459 @swachter
                                Sounds like our fair city, Manayunk Philly

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                                • switch@tenforward.socialS switch@tenforward.social

                                  @Muse_Lux I'm Swiss and have been living in France almost all my life. Switzerland is a kind of USA lite, in that it's mostly an economically conservative place, with very expensive private insurances, rents are high, etc. France is still better but as Europe is pushing for free market bullshit, French social security and every other public services have been under attack from capitalists for decades and it's getting more expensive to have a decent life. @andthisismrspeacock

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                                  #42

                                  @switch same in Germany, we'll have to stop that madness neoliberal crap. @Muse_Lux @andthisismrspeacock

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                                  • cczona@hachyderm.ioC cczona@hachyderm.io

                                    @andthisismrspeacock a couple months after Malta made public transit free nationwide (it's a small archipelago, so public transit includes buses and ferries), billionaire Peter Thiel applied for Maltese citizenship. He didn't care about the free ferry rides; I'm sure he has a fleet of yachts and speedboats for that. He wanted the EU membership rights. The reality is that billionaires want to be wherever quality of life is high. While they may be annoyed by the fact that socialist policies benefit people other than themselves, because billionaires are by definition selfish horder bastards, they value their own good life too much to go live where everyone else suffers as much as the billionaires think we peons should. It's idiocy to build policy around desperately trying to keep billionaire tax evaders in residence anyway. If they want to leave, excellent. Good riddance to their resource-draining asses.

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                                    #43

                                    @cczona @andthisismrspeacock Meanwhile Canada’s prime minister used to work for the country’s most successful tax sheltering organization

                                    https://cictar.org/all-research/brookfield-canadas-largest

                                    https://thewalrus.ca/carney-wealth-brookfield/

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                                    • andthisismrspeacock@mas.toA andthisismrspeacock@mas.to

                                      A weird thing about living in #Massachusetts is constantly having other Americans tell you the life you live every day is impossible.

                                      "You can't tax billionaires, they'll leave."

                                      We have been, and they didn't.

                                      "You can't legalize weed, it will increase crime."

                                      We did, and it didn't.

                                      "You can't make public transit free, it will cost too much."

                                      We did, and it didn't.

                                      And on and on, and the lesson to learn is don't listen to the billionaire media professional whiners and just do what's right for your community AND IT WORKS! But I still have to listen to this stupid shit every day.

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                                      #44

                                      @andthisismrspeacock I will say MBTA is a disgrace though.

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                                      • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                                        @andthisismrspeacock I will say MBTA is a disgrace though.

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                                        #45

                                        @andthisismrspeacock Like MBTA's chronic underfunding and hole is decades of Democrat establishment neglect and apathy

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                                        • swachter@toot.bostonS swachter@toot.boston

                                          @andthisismrspeacock Relatives talk about the scourge of fifteen minute cities and I’m like, I live in one, it’s amazing, I can walk to like eight libraries, twenty banks/ATMs, thirty grocery stores, and a literally uncountable number of good restaurants within two miles. Why would you not want this.

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                                          #46

                                          @swachter @andthisismrspeacock I lived in the OG 15 minute city - Paris - for a bit when I was a kid.

                                          Today, living in a sprawly North American city, the walk from the door of our grocery store to the back of the parking lot is further than the walk from our grocery store in Paris to our fridge.

                                          The block we lived on in Paris had more useful businesses, more restaurants, more variety of groceries, than our whole neighborhood has where I live now.

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