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  • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

    RE: https://infosec.exchange/@Laukidh/116026768953675644

    Handy info to iPhone users:

    When you go through an airport or meet the police, press the power button and either volume button for three seconds. This puts your phone in a state where it can only be unlocked with your passcode.

    So if anyone ever tells you to hand over your phone, you can do this immediately and prevent them from unlocking it with your face.

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    #12

    This is more inconsistent and erratic on Androids, but usually volume-down and power, held down for a couple of seconds, does activate a screen where "Lockdown mode" can be turned on. If you don't hold them down, the same keypress may instead take a screenshot.

    Exit lockdown with your passcode. Biometrics and voice activation are disabled, background apps stopped and notifications hidden while in lockdown.
    @randahl

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    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

      RE: https://infosec.exchange/@Laukidh/116026768953675644

      Handy info to iPhone users:

      When you go through an airport or meet the police, press the power button and either volume button for three seconds. This puts your phone in a state where it can only be unlocked with your passcode.

      So if anyone ever tells you to hand over your phone, you can do this immediately and prevent them from unlocking it with your face.

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      #13

      @randahl better: do not use face ID….

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      • lightfighter@infosec.exchangeL lightfighter@infosec.exchange

        @randahl On current Android phones a long press on the power button gives the option for "Lock down" mode. This turns off biometrics.

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        #14

        Many models have replaced that very useful action by instead activating Gemini or other "assistant" app instead. Irritating but true. Volume-down and power instead, but hold them down.
        @Lightfighter @randahl

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        • samsenbdri@mastodon.socialS samsenbdri@mastodon.social

          @randahl
          In the US, I'd say: You're not getting my phone. There's no search warrant or demonstrable imminent danger. Otherwise, it'll be expensive, gentlemen, very expensive. Smartphones enjoy special protection in USA.

          In Germany, all I get afterwards is a "Sorry!"

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          #15

          Foreign individuals at US border entry enjoy no such protections. Your phone may be confiscated and biometric unlock forcefully bypassed. However no one can make you remember your passcode correctly.
          @SamsenBdRi @randahl

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          • n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN n_dimension@infosec.exchange

            @randahl

            In #Australia it's a criminal offences not to unlock your device.
            Punishable by up to ten years in jail.

            But then we are a criminal colony....still

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            #16

            @n_dimension only if the police has a warrant. An Australian police officer cannot just walk up to any random person and ask to see the contents of their phone.

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            • zuilenv@mastodon.nlZ zuilenv@mastodon.nl

              @randahl better: do not use face ID….

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              #17

              @ZuilenV what do you think is a better alternative?

              I do not like using an access code, because if I am in a public space, a thief could see me entering the access cod, then steal my phone and use the code to access it.

              If I use face id, a thief can run off with my phone, but he cannot access my data.

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              • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                @ZuilenV what do you think is a better alternative?

                I do not like using an access code, because if I am in a public space, a thief could see me entering the access cod, then steal my phone and use the code to access it.

                If I use face id, a thief can run off with my phone, but he cannot access my data.

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                #18

                @randahl fingerprint access an option, I think, but nor your thumb 😉

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                • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                  @n_dimension only if the police has a warrant. An Australian police officer cannot just walk up to any random person and ask to see the contents of their phone.

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                  #19

                  @randahl

                  Sorry, I meant at border crossings.

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                  • n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN n_dimension@infosec.exchange

                    @randahl

                    Sorry, I meant at border crossings.

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                    #20

                    @n_dimension wow. So if I come as a tourist Australia requires access to my phone?

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                    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                      @n_dimension wow. So if I come as a tourist Australia requires access to my phone?

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                      #21

                      @randahl

                      Its actually more nuanced (I looked it up) still not good news.

                      https://www.caldicottlawyers.com.au/border-force-customs-phone-search

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                      • n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN n_dimension@infosec.exchange

                        @randahl

                        Its actually more nuanced (I looked it up) still not good news.

                        https://www.caldicottlawyers.com.au/border-force-customs-phone-search

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                        #22

                        @n_dimension glad to see it involves a warrant. Anything less would certainly hold me out of Australia.

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                        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                          RE: https://infosec.exchange/@Laukidh/116026768953675644

                          Handy info to iPhone users:

                          When you go through an airport or meet the police, press the power button and either volume button for three seconds. This puts your phone in a state where it can only be unlocked with your passcode.

                          So if anyone ever tells you to hand over your phone, you can do this immediately and prevent them from unlocking it with your face.

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                          #23

                          @randahl on mine it’s just the volume down and power

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                          • nead@social.vivaldi.netN nead@social.vivaldi.net

                            @randahl If you use bio-metrics, you've already handed over the keys to someone out there - in the form of a finger print, your facial features, or your eye's (iris) blueprint. This is a false sense of security. People protect their Social Security Number with more vigor than a scanned finger print!

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                            #24

                            @Nead @randahl this isn’t true. Face recognition on the iPhone doesn’t store photos or any representation of your face. It stores a hashed value derived from the geometry, which isn’t reversible. It also does so in a Secure Enclave tied to phone via multiple layers of encrypted signing.

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                            • J jackmexa4@mastodon.social

                              @randahl

                              A migrant in a tt I watch told about a device that agents plug into a phone and then have full access and may create a complete copy of all the information.

                              Idk if agents have such a device.

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                              #25

                              @randahl @JackMexa4 They do exist, e.g the israeli company Cellebrite is infamous for it. Not sure how specifically it works and if it works on all devices.

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