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  3. "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter..." -- Sam Altman

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  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

    "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter..." -- Sam Altman

    https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/2032012809433723158

    There you go, there it is. Yup.

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    #32

    @cwebber

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    • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

      @cwebber The closest they've ever come to a consistent definition of intelligence is something that can do economically valuable work.

      Under that definition, what he's proposing is that you would rent the ability to do work, at all, from him. And that is in keeping with the ai/vc set's stated goals and past actions.

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      #33

      @jenniferplusplus @cwebber yes! This is a thing I keep coming back to in how I feel about what's going on. The effort here is to build the ultimate "rent a shovel" service where the entire economy is dependent on an oligopoly of cloud providers to functionally do work.

      I can live with a lot of things I don't like, but that's basically anathema to me.

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      • lykso@tiny.tilde.websiteL lykso@tiny.tilde.website

        @cwebber Every day radicalizes me more. I need to figure out what flavor of communist I am now.

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        #34

        @lykso @cwebber Some flavour of Marxist.

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        • elexia@catcatnya.comE elexia@catcatnya.com

          @amici @lykso @cwebber I think that is an oversimplification even for the time, but in any case we don't live in the 19th century anymore and people have had a lot of different thoughts on both anarchism and communism since then. as such many anarchists these days don't identify as communists and do not necessarily share positions you might see as defining for communism.

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          #35

          @elexia @lykso @cwebber

          I agree it's a simplification, but I also have issues with those who try to take away the historical context of anarchism, such as to describe vague and inconsistent relationships with the state and authority overall

          ancaps and "lifestyle anarchists" come to mind

          in my opinion all anarchists are communists, otherwise their use of the term anarchism is highly suspect - I certainly would like to know why they think their position is significantly different to an ancom

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          • amici@fribygda.noA amici@fribygda.no

            @elexia @lykso @cwebber

            I agree it's a simplification, but I also have issues with those who try to take away the historical context of anarchism, such as to describe vague and inconsistent relationships with the state and authority overall

            ancaps and "lifestyle anarchists" come to mind

            in my opinion all anarchists are communists, otherwise their use of the term anarchism is highly suspect - I certainly would like to know why they think their position is significantly different to an ancom

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            #36

            @amici @elexia @cwebber I definitely tend to think of myself as some form of small-c "communist" under which many positions may fall, including anarchist ones.

            I recognize that there are people who appropriate the term "anarchist" without understanding the self-contradictory nature of their position, most notably ancaps.

            But again, I need to read more.

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            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

              "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter..." -- Sam Altman

              https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/2032012809433723158

              There you go, there it is. Yup.

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              #37

              @cwebber the time between people uncovering fascists' hidden motivations and them saying the quiet part out loud continues to shrink. they're practically scrambling over themselves to shout about how evil they are from the rooftops.

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              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter..." -- Sam Altman

                https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/2032012809433723158

                There you go, there it is. Yup.

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                #38

                @cwebber intelligence on tap that hallucinates and invents bullshit.

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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter..." -- Sam Altman

                  https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/2032012809433723158

                  There you go, there it is. Yup.

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                  #39

                  @cwebber wait, they don't recognize Internet service as a utility...

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                    #40

                    @AlexanderVI @cwebber So? How did it go?

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                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                      I'm not claiming that they're right, that you are actually buying "intelligence" from them by the meter, I think that's misleading.

                      But also, the fact that that's the *framing* goes to show to you that they absolutely, completely want it to be, and want to sell intellectual slavery, as far as they can get it.

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                      #41

                      @cwebber

                      Isn't that slightly overdramatic? It's just a bit of marketing hype

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                      • gotofritz@hachyderm.ioG gotofritz@hachyderm.io

                        @cwebber

                        Isn't that slightly overdramatic? It's just a bit of marketing hype

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                        #42

                        @gotofritz I don't think so. But it's a deeper topic.

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                          #43

                          @kate @paul_ipv6 @cwebber And making our ponds and lakes go dry in the process. I'm looking at you, Ice Mountain.

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                          • lykso@tiny.tilde.websiteL lykso@tiny.tilde.website

                            @amici @elexia @cwebber I definitely tend to think of myself as some form of small-c "communist" under which many positions may fall, including anarchist ones.

                            I recognize that there are people who appropriate the term "anarchist" without understanding the self-contradictory nature of their position, most notably ancaps.

                            But again, I need to read more.

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                            #44

                            @lykso @amici @elexia @cwebber

                            Small C communism was the word originally, anarchism came a bit later-- I think after the split at the 1st International, where Marx ran off in a more authoritarian direction just like Bakunin worried he would.

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                            • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                              @cwebber The closest they've ever come to a consistent definition of intelligence is something that can do economically valuable work.

                              Under that definition, what he's proposing is that you would rent the ability to do work, at all, from him. And that is in keeping with the ai/vc set's stated goals and past actions.

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                              @jenniferplusplus I think there's a word for that 🤔 sl.. sla.. um slavery!

                              Gotit?

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                              • violetmadder@kolektiva.socialV violetmadder@kolektiva.social

                                @lykso @amici @elexia @cwebber

                                Small C communism was the word originally, anarchism came a bit later-- I think after the split at the 1st International, where Marx ran off in a more authoritarian direction just like Bakunin worried he would.

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                                #46

                                @violetmadder @lykso @elexia @cwebber

                                never heard of the term "Small C communism" being used in those times, it sounds like a very modern turn of phrase

                                but I know "anarchist" was initially applied as an insult, and was then later adopted by would-be anarchists as a way to describe themselves

                                before that the term, as a way to describe a political position, comes from the work of Proudhon, which I haven't read but would like to some day

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                                • elexia@catcatnya.comE elexia@catcatnya.com

                                  @lykso @cwebber can always be an anarchist instead. never too late

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                                  #47

                                  @elexia 🏴🏴🏴

                                  @lykso @cwebber

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                                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                    "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter..." -- Sam Altman

                                    https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/2032012809433723158

                                    There you go, there it is. Yup.

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                                    #48

                                    @cwebber @jalefkowit The next DMCA will criminalize independent thought that doesn’t rely on the intelligence utility

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                                    • mwyman@mastodon.socialM mwyman@mastodon.social

                                      @cwebber @jalefkowit The next DMCA will criminalize independent thought that doesn’t rely on the intelligence utility

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                                      #49

                                      @mwyman @jalefkowit grok is this true?

                                      it isn't?

                                      I'm sorry i didn't mean it Grok i was just asking

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                                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                        "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter..." -- Sam Altman

                                        https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/2032012809433723158

                                        There you go, there it is. Yup.

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                                        #50

                                        @cwebber This tracks in the context of destroying education.

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                                        • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                                          @cwebber The closest they've ever come to a consistent definition of intelligence is something that can do economically valuable work.

                                          Under that definition, what he's proposing is that you would rent the ability to do work, at all, from him. And that is in keeping with the ai/vc set's stated goals and past actions.

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                                          @jenniferplusplus @cwebber it’s the value portion that’s terrifying, beyond the implications of some tech bro claiming all of humanity’s collective online output as their own. If 99% of people’s value has been labor (synonymous with “intelligence” here), and that labor is offloaded, there’s no value of people anymore. Capitalism: this breaks the market for the thing selling labor back to labor. (Techno Feudalism: intelligent people are worthless, expendable.)

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