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  • elexia@catcatnya.comE elexia@catcatnya.com

    @amici @lykso @cwebber I think that is an oversimplification even for the time, but in any case we don't live in the 19th century anymore and people have had a lot of different thoughts on both anarchism and communism since then. as such many anarchists these days don't identify as communists and do not necessarily share positions you might see as defining for communism.

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    #35

    @elexia @lykso @cwebber

    I agree it's a simplification, but I also have issues with those who try to take away the historical context of anarchism, such as to describe vague and inconsistent relationships with the state and authority overall

    ancaps and "lifestyle anarchists" come to mind

    in my opinion all anarchists are communists, otherwise their use of the term anarchism is highly suspect - I certainly would like to know why they think their position is significantly different to an ancom

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    • amici@fribygda.noA amici@fribygda.no

      @elexia @lykso @cwebber

      I agree it's a simplification, but I also have issues with those who try to take away the historical context of anarchism, such as to describe vague and inconsistent relationships with the state and authority overall

      ancaps and "lifestyle anarchists" come to mind

      in my opinion all anarchists are communists, otherwise their use of the term anarchism is highly suspect - I certainly would like to know why they think their position is significantly different to an ancom

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      #36

      @amici @elexia @cwebber I definitely tend to think of myself as some form of small-c "communist" under which many positions may fall, including anarchist ones.

      I recognize that there are people who appropriate the term "anarchist" without understanding the self-contradictory nature of their position, most notably ancaps.

      But again, I need to read more.

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      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

        "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter..." -- Sam Altman

        https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/2032012809433723158

        There you go, there it is. Yup.

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        #37

        @cwebber the time between people uncovering fascists' hidden motivations and them saying the quiet part out loud continues to shrink. they're practically scrambling over themselves to shout about how evil they are from the rooftops.

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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter..." -- Sam Altman

          https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/2032012809433723158

          There you go, there it is. Yup.

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          #38

          @cwebber intelligence on tap that hallucinates and invents bullshit.

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter..." -- Sam Altman

            https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/2032012809433723158

            There you go, there it is. Yup.

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            #39

            @cwebber wait, they don't recognize Internet service as a utility...

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              #40

              @AlexanderVI @cwebber So? How did it go?

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              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                I'm not claiming that they're right, that you are actually buying "intelligence" from them by the meter, I think that's misleading.

                But also, the fact that that's the *framing* goes to show to you that they absolutely, completely want it to be, and want to sell intellectual slavery, as far as they can get it.

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                #41

                @cwebber

                Isn't that slightly overdramatic? It's just a bit of marketing hype

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                • gotofritz@hachyderm.ioG gotofritz@hachyderm.io

                  @cwebber

                  Isn't that slightly overdramatic? It's just a bit of marketing hype

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                  #42

                  @gotofritz I don't think so. But it's a deeper topic.

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                    #43

                    @kate @paul_ipv6 @cwebber And making our ponds and lakes go dry in the process. I'm looking at you, Ice Mountain.

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                    • lykso@tiny.tilde.websiteL lykso@tiny.tilde.website

                      @amici @elexia @cwebber I definitely tend to think of myself as some form of small-c "communist" under which many positions may fall, including anarchist ones.

                      I recognize that there are people who appropriate the term "anarchist" without understanding the self-contradictory nature of their position, most notably ancaps.

                      But again, I need to read more.

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                      #44

                      @lykso @amici @elexia @cwebber

                      Small C communism was the word originally, anarchism came a bit later-- I think after the split at the 1st International, where Marx ran off in a more authoritarian direction just like Bakunin worried he would.

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                      • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                        @cwebber The closest they've ever come to a consistent definition of intelligence is something that can do economically valuable work.

                        Under that definition, what he's proposing is that you would rent the ability to do work, at all, from him. And that is in keeping with the ai/vc set's stated goals and past actions.

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                        #45

                        @jenniferplusplus I think there's a word for that 🤔 sl.. sla.. um slavery!

                        Gotit?

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                        • violetmadder@kolektiva.socialV violetmadder@kolektiva.social

                          @lykso @amici @elexia @cwebber

                          Small C communism was the word originally, anarchism came a bit later-- I think after the split at the 1st International, where Marx ran off in a more authoritarian direction just like Bakunin worried he would.

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                          #46

                          @violetmadder @lykso @elexia @cwebber

                          never heard of the term "Small C communism" being used in those times, it sounds like a very modern turn of phrase

                          but I know "anarchist" was initially applied as an insult, and was then later adopted by would-be anarchists as a way to describe themselves

                          before that the term, as a way to describe a political position, comes from the work of Proudhon, which I haven't read but would like to some day

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                          • elexia@catcatnya.comE elexia@catcatnya.com

                            @lykso @cwebber can always be an anarchist instead. never too late

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                            #47

                            @elexia 🏴🏴🏴

                            @lykso @cwebber

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                            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                              "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter..." -- Sam Altman

                              https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/2032012809433723158

                              There you go, there it is. Yup.

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                              #48

                              @cwebber @jalefkowit The next DMCA will criminalize independent thought that doesn’t rely on the intelligence utility

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                              • mwyman@mastodon.socialM mwyman@mastodon.social

                                @cwebber @jalefkowit The next DMCA will criminalize independent thought that doesn’t rely on the intelligence utility

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                                #49

                                @mwyman @jalefkowit grok is this true?

                                it isn't?

                                I'm sorry i didn't mean it Grok i was just asking

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                                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                  "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter..." -- Sam Altman

                                  https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/2032012809433723158

                                  There you go, there it is. Yup.

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                                  #50

                                  @cwebber This tracks in the context of destroying education.

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                                  • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                                    @cwebber The closest they've ever come to a consistent definition of intelligence is something that can do economically valuable work.

                                    Under that definition, what he's proposing is that you would rent the ability to do work, at all, from him. And that is in keeping with the ai/vc set's stated goals and past actions.

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                                    #51

                                    @jenniferplusplus @cwebber it’s the value portion that’s terrifying, beyond the implications of some tech bro claiming all of humanity’s collective online output as their own. If 99% of people’s value has been labor (synonymous with “intelligence” here), and that labor is offloaded, there’s no value of people anymore. Capitalism: this breaks the market for the thing selling labor back to labor. (Techno Feudalism: intelligent people are worthless, expendable.)

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                                    • lykso@tiny.tilde.websiteL lykso@tiny.tilde.website

                                      @cwebber Every day radicalizes me more. I need to figure out what flavor of communist I am now.

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                                      #52

                                      @lykso @cwebber better not, “love” the people from western countries glorifying communism. Come to us to Eastern Europe, we will show you monuments of remembrance of victims of communism, and you hopefully will understand you are talking nonsense. Communism and Nacism should never exist. Shame on people who glorify any of those brutal despotic systems.

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