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  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

    A scary quick calculation: there are 10,375 Starlink satellites in orbit https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html, all coming down within 5 years.

    That's an *average* of 5 or 6 a day for the next 5 years. And the v2's are bigger than the v1's. v2's are (conservatively) 1000kg and (conservatively) half aluminum. That's 2.5-3 tonnes of aluminum per day. 8 times the natural infall rate of aluminum (and there's lots of other scary things like lithium). What will that do to our atmosphere?

    SpaceX is awful.

    albertcardona@mathstodon.xyzA This user is from outside of this forum
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    #27

    @sundogplanets

    August 5, 2026 isn't that far away ...

    "There Will Come Soft Rains" by Ray Bradbury
    https://www.btboces.org/Downloads/7_There%20Will%20Come%20Soft%20Rains%20by%20Ray%20Bradbury.pdf

    #scifi

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    • davidm_yeg@beige.partyD davidm_yeg@beige.party

      @sundogplanets

      🤷‍♂️ I pay much closer attention to interviews with people who really do look like they’ve just stepped out of their lab or office or classroom or goat pen than sleek coiffed media ready talking heads.

      Thank you for the time to give to the public good!

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      #28

      @DavidM_yeg @sundogplanets

      Wholeheartedly agree with David. It’s your expertise that matters, and no ratty sweatshirt is going to detract from that.

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      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

        @hattom @knud I did not know that about donkeys. My goats don't like getting wet, and avoid it when they can, but I have definitely seen them get damp and not have any issues.

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        #29

        @sundogplanets @hattom

        OK, so just like me 🙂

        The donkey's I am visiting ~1/year go into their stable or under their roof when it starts raining. I really like them.

        (I don't have any image available, sorry!)

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        • albertcardona@mathstodon.xyzA albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz

          @sundogplanets

          August 5, 2026 isn't that far away ...

          "There Will Come Soft Rains" by Ray Bradbury
          https://www.btboces.org/Downloads/7_There%20Will%20Come%20Soft%20Rains%20by%20Ray%20Bradbury.pdf

          #scifi

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          #30

          @albertcardona I think about this short story quite frequently, but haven't read it in years! I didn't realize there's an exact date in it! Wow.

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          • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

            A scary quick calculation: there are 10,375 Starlink satellites in orbit https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html, all coming down within 5 years.

            That's an *average* of 5 or 6 a day for the next 5 years. And the v2's are bigger than the v1's. v2's are (conservatively) 1000kg and (conservatively) half aluminum. That's 2.5-3 tonnes of aluminum per day. 8 times the natural infall rate of aluminum (and there's lots of other scary things like lithium). What will that do to our atmosphere?

            SpaceX is awful.

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            #31

            @sundogplanets Amazon: wait wait, don't forget about me.

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            • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

              @lauren @sundogplanets

              There is no glass half full, they are sending more of it up all the time. The entire trillion dollar SpaceX IPO is predicated on pumping this satellite sewage into LEO.

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              #32

              @mastodonmigration @sundogplanets Better that the garbage isn't at orbits where it would hang around much longer.

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              • lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.orgL lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org

                @mastodonmigration @sundogplanets Better that the garbage isn't at orbits where it would hang around much longer.

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                #33

                @lauren @sundogplanets

                Indeed, at the current Starlink orbit it will all come down within 25 years. They want to start using higher orbits which will never come down.

                https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/116409691285680314

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                • kimberlyn@cosocial.caK kimberlyn@cosocial.ca

                  @DavidM_yeg @sundogplanets

                  Wholeheartedly agree with David. It’s your expertise that matters, and no ratty sweatshirt is going to detract from that.

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                  #34

                  @KimberlyN @DavidM_yeg @sundogplanets Yup. It's the old riddle about the two barbers. The harried-looking one? That's the one doing all the work.

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                  • albertcardona@mathstodon.xyzA albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz

                    @sundogplanets

                    August 5, 2026 isn't that far away ...

                    "There Will Come Soft Rains" by Ray Bradbury
                    https://www.btboces.org/Downloads/7_There%20Will%20Come%20Soft%20Rains%20by%20Ray%20Bradbury.pdf

                    #scifi

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                    #35

                    @albertcardona @sundogplanets Oooh, going to set my alarm clock, lol.

                    Done!

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                    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                      A scary quick calculation: there are 10,375 Starlink satellites in orbit https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html, all coming down within 5 years.

                      That's an *average* of 5 or 6 a day for the next 5 years. And the v2's are bigger than the v1's. v2's are (conservatively) 1000kg and (conservatively) half aluminum. That's 2.5-3 tonnes of aluminum per day. 8 times the natural infall rate of aluminum (and there's lots of other scary things like lithium). What will that do to our atmosphere?

                      SpaceX is awful.

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                      #36

                      @sundogplanets

                      And the US government keeps giving "approval" for more, although this is ostensibly only approval for launch, not for occupation of an orbit.

                      Effectively claiming jurisdiction over Low Earth Orbit, which is colonialism on a global scale.

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                      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                        Interview 2 went much better (which is good, Saskatoon is where it's most likely that pieces would be found, if there are any pieces) and I remembered to say the email address I want people to send possible space junk finds to! AND I got a better camera setup and actually brushed my hair. But I'm somehow going to end up on CBC national news in my ratty farm sweatshirt AGAIN aren't I?

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                        #37

                        @sundogplanets the plus side is you won’t look like a slick PR shill.

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                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                          A scary quick calculation: there are 10,375 Starlink satellites in orbit https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html, all coming down within 5 years.

                          That's an *average* of 5 or 6 a day for the next 5 years. And the v2's are bigger than the v1's. v2's are (conservatively) 1000kg and (conservatively) half aluminum. That's 2.5-3 tonnes of aluminum per day. 8 times the natural infall rate of aluminum (and there's lots of other scary things like lithium). What will that do to our atmosphere?

                          SpaceX is awful.

                          nixzhu@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #38

                          @sundogplanets As a Chinese citizen, I hope to one day use Starlink to bypass the GFW and access the open Internet. SpaceX is doing amazing work!

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                          • nixzhu@mastodon.socialN nixzhu@mastodon.social

                            @sundogplanets As a Chinese citizen, I hope to one day use Starlink to bypass the GFW and access the open Internet. SpaceX is doing amazing work!

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                            #39

                            @nixzhu I'm sorry that's what you are forced to depend on. Enjoy it before SpaceX starts Kessler Syndrome, I guess?

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                            • albertcardona@mathstodon.xyzA albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz

                              @sundogplanets

                              August 5, 2026 isn't that far away ...

                              "There Will Come Soft Rains" by Ray Bradbury
                              https://www.btboces.org/Downloads/7_There%20Will%20Come%20Soft%20Rains%20by%20Ray%20Bradbury.pdf

                              #scifi

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                              #40

                              @albertcardona @sundogplanets Also have an animated version

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oxP3TyuQx0

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                              • angelastella@social.treehouse.systemsA angelastella@social.treehouse.systems

                                @Perrin42 @sundogplanets

                                Had the idea it involved an ablation cascade aka Kessler syndrome.

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                                #41

                                @angelastella @Perrin42 @sundogplanets
                                Of a rather larger initial mass!
                                The Moon.

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                                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                  Interview 2 went much better (which is good, Saskatoon is where it's most likely that pieces would be found, if there are any pieces) and I remembered to say the email address I want people to send possible space junk finds to! AND I got a better camera setup and actually brushed my hair. But I'm somehow going to end up on CBC national news in my ratty farm sweatshirt AGAIN aren't I?

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                                  #42

                                  @sundogplanets IDK I feel like the ratty farm sweatshirt helps your message feel authentic

                                  "I came to Saskatchewan to raise goats and watch stars BUT THESE JERKS STARTED DROPPING STUFF" is compelling

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                                  • photo55@mastodon.socialP photo55@mastodon.social

                                    @angelastella @Perrin42 @sundogplanets
                                    Of a rather larger initial mass!
                                    The Moon.

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                                    #43

                                    @Photo55 @Perrin42 @sundogplanets

                                    Remembering now! yeah, I really must read the book.

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                                    • nixzhu@mastodon.socialN nixzhu@mastodon.social

                                      @sundogplanets As a Chinese citizen, I hope to one day use Starlink to bypass the GFW and access the open Internet. SpaceX is doing amazing work!

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                                      #44

                                      @nixzhu
                                      But you don't need anything in low earth orbit ( #LEO ) for that.
                                      Arthur C Clarke originally pointed out that 3 satellites in the geostationary orbit could provide up, down, and sideways, communication for the whole planet surface.

                                      You probably want a shorter delay and a lower power budget for your relay than that, but I submit that you do not need to reduce either to the levels LEO allows. Something between GEO and LEO would work nicely and be easier to track for comms.

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                                      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                        A scary quick calculation: there are 10,375 Starlink satellites in orbit https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html, all coming down within 5 years.

                                        That's an *average* of 5 or 6 a day for the next 5 years. And the v2's are bigger than the v1's. v2's are (conservatively) 1000kg and (conservatively) half aluminum. That's 2.5-3 tonnes of aluminum per day. 8 times the natural infall rate of aluminum (and there's lots of other scary things like lithium). What will that do to our atmosphere?

                                        SpaceX is awful.

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                                        #45

                                        @sundogplanets
                                        unintended terraforming?
                                        "Scientists are eager to understand how these particles of aerospace debris interact with other aerosols in the stratosphere because of anticipated increases in space traffic and their potential impact on the ozone layer. They also want to explore the impact of possible future proposals to seed the stratosphere with millions of tons of sulfur aerosols to slow the rate of global warming by reflecting sunlight back to space."
                                        https://research.noaa.gov/noaa-scientists-link-exotic-metal-particles-in-the-upper-atmosphere-to-rockets-satellites/

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                                        • angelastella@social.treehouse.systemsA angelastella@social.treehouse.systems

                                          @Photo55 @Perrin42 @sundogplanets

                                          Remembering now! yeah, I really must read the book.

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                                          #46

                                          @angelastella
                                          It is really quite good.

                                          Separately, one of the discussions I've seen in #SciFi is of the minimum size of society for prolonged survival in Space.
                                          Large.

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