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  3. Somewhat alarmed that the LLM detritus seems to no longer have a toggle to be disabled in the iOS 27 and macOS betas.

Somewhat alarmed that the LLM detritus seems to no longer have a toggle to be disabled in the iOS 27 and macOS betas.

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  • glyph@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Somewhat alarmed that the LLM detritus seems to no longer have a toggle to be disabled in the iOS 27 and macOS betas. I hope, but do not expect, that it will come back in the final releases.

    If I want to still be able to set a timer when I'm cooking with my voice, I probably need to accept a bunch of nonconsensual slop ("writing tools") being shoved in my face in every app.

    G glyph@mastodon.socialG sharpcheddargoblin@reclusive.blogS josh0@babka.socialJ prometheus@pmth.usP 5 Replies Last reply
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    • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

      Somewhat alarmed that the LLM detritus seems to no longer have a toggle to be disabled in the iOS 27 and macOS betas. I hope, but do not expect, that it will come back in the final releases.

      If I want to still be able to set a timer when I'm cooking with my voice, I probably need to accept a bunch of nonconsensual slop ("writing tools") being shoved in my face in every app.

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      glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
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      #2

      @glyph

      Grrr.

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      • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

        Somewhat alarmed that the LLM detritus seems to no longer have a toggle to be disabled in the iOS 27 and macOS betas. I hope, but do not expect, that it will come back in the final releases.

        If I want to still be able to set a timer when I'm cooking with my voice, I probably need to accept a bunch of nonconsensual slop ("writing tools") being shoved in my face in every app.

        glyph@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        Protesting LLMs by refusing to use any software that includes them feels like attempting to protest the introduction of tetraethyl lead into gasoline by refusing to breathe until everyone stops putting it in their cars. So I am drawing my personal moral lines in such a way that I will probably accept this.

        But please don't mistake this for excitement about huffing a bunch of vaporized lead.

        sunpig@mastodon.scotS jellyfriend@plush.cityJ lumi@snug.moeL dianea@lgbtqia.spaceD cap_ybarra@beige.partyC 8 Replies Last reply
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        • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

          Protesting LLMs by refusing to use any software that includes them feels like attempting to protest the introduction of tetraethyl lead into gasoline by refusing to breathe until everyone stops putting it in their cars. So I am drawing my personal moral lines in such a way that I will probably accept this.

          But please don't mistake this for excitement about huffing a bunch of vaporized lead.

          sunpig@mastodon.scotS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @glyph I'm dealing with this (so far) in the same way I handle grocery shopping. I don't eat meat, but I still buy my food at supermarkets that sell it. The alternative is just...unfeasibly hard right now.

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          • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

            Protesting LLMs by refusing to use any software that includes them feels like attempting to protest the introduction of tetraethyl lead into gasoline by refusing to breathe until everyone stops putting it in their cars. So I am drawing my personal moral lines in such a way that I will probably accept this.

            But please don't mistake this for excitement about huffing a bunch of vaporized lead.

            jellyfriend@plush.cityJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @glyph everytime i think leadposting is back i end up dissapointed

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            • jellyfriend@plush.cityJ jellyfriend@plush.city

              @glyph everytime i think leadposting is back i end up dissapointed

              glyph@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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              glyph@mastodon.social
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              #6

              @jellyfriend … wait what is "leadposting"

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              • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                Protesting LLMs by refusing to use any software that includes them feels like attempting to protest the introduction of tetraethyl lead into gasoline by refusing to breathe until everyone stops putting it in their cars. So I am drawing my personal moral lines in such a way that I will probably accept this.

                But please don't mistake this for excitement about huffing a bunch of vaporized lead.

                lumi@snug.moeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @glyph i hate how there is this duopoly with phone operating systems and neither option really gives you much freedom. we can't just make an ios distro without the apple spyware and llm stuff. making one for android is ... somewhat possible, for now, but google really wants to make sure we do not have that ability anymore

                we should have 1000s of competing phone operating systems, such that they are forced to interoperate and work together. not this shitty duopoly

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                • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                  Protesting LLMs by refusing to use any software that includes them feels like attempting to protest the introduction of tetraethyl lead into gasoline by refusing to breathe until everyone stops putting it in their cars. So I am drawing my personal moral lines in such a way that I will probably accept this.

                  But please don't mistake this for excitement about huffing a bunch of vaporized lead.

                  dianea@lgbtqia.spaceD This user is from outside of this forum
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                  dianea@lgbtqia.space
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                  #8

                  @glyph

                  As someone that maintained manufacturing plants for 30 years, I knew at least a dozen of the best people I worked with that succumbed to lead poisoning. It was total destruction of their lives and families. AI gives me that same dreadful feeling of the future...

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                  • lumi@snug.moeL lumi@snug.moe

                    @glyph i hate how there is this duopoly with phone operating systems and neither option really gives you much freedom. we can't just make an ios distro without the apple spyware and llm stuff. making one for android is ... somewhat possible, for now, but google really wants to make sure we do not have that ability anymore

                    we should have 1000s of competing phone operating systems, such that they are forced to interoperate and work together. not this shitty duopoly

                    glyph@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @lumi in android, we do have 1000s, with all the budget handset manufacturers, and it is a miserable slog to make software in that environment, which is why nobody does. stochastic competition won't solve this problem, what we need is regulation. a UN agency that develops software in the global public interest, mandates that apple/google accept it, and regulates their developer programs.

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                    • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                      @lumi in android, we do have 1000s, with all the budget handset manufacturers, and it is a miserable slog to make software in that environment, which is why nobody does. stochastic competition won't solve this problem, what we need is regulation. a UN agency that develops software in the global public interest, mandates that apple/google accept it, and regulates their developer programs.

                      glyph@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @lumi I mean this is absolute fantasy but so's the competitive environment where 1000s of independent OS providers could exist, so, as long as we're fantasizing, let's dream big

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                      • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                        Somewhat alarmed that the LLM detritus seems to no longer have a toggle to be disabled in the iOS 27 and macOS betas. I hope, but do not expect, that it will come back in the final releases.

                        If I want to still be able to set a timer when I'm cooking with my voice, I probably need to accept a bunch of nonconsensual slop ("writing tools") being shoved in my face in every app.

                        sharpcheddargoblin@reclusive.blogS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        sharpcheddargoblin@reclusive.blog
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                        #11

                        @glyph I’m already annoyed with Apple but that would make me migrate immediately.

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                        • dianea@lgbtqia.spaceD dianea@lgbtqia.space

                          @glyph

                          As someone that maintained manufacturing plants for 30 years, I knew at least a dozen of the best people I worked with that succumbed to lead poisoning. It was total destruction of their lives and families. AI gives me that same dreadful feeling of the future...

                          amenonsen@flipping.rocksA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @dianea That's just so horrible, for them, their families, for you, just in general. Of course I know in theory that lead poisoning is a serious problem, but I never imagined someone personally knowing that many people who died from it.

                          (And of course it's far from the only thing people die of in industrial contexts.)

                          @glyph

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                          • dianea@lgbtqia.spaceD dianea@lgbtqia.space

                            @glyph

                            As someone that maintained manufacturing plants for 30 years, I knew at least a dozen of the best people I worked with that succumbed to lead poisoning. It was total destruction of their lives and families. AI gives me that same dreadful feeling of the future...

                            glyph@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                            glyph@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @dianea I frequently think "the metaphors I am coming up with are way too bleak. surely someone with direct experience with ionizing radiation / lead / biohazards would chastise me for catastrophizing this" and then people with experience in the fields keep showing up and telling me that I'm not pessimistic *enough*

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                            • sharpcheddargoblin@reclusive.blogS sharpcheddargoblin@reclusive.blog

                              @glyph I’m already annoyed with Apple but that would make me migrate immediately.

                              glyph@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @sharpcheddargoblin get ready, I guess 😐. It would be an impractical amount of effort for me to migrate, but, there's also the question of what to migrate *to*. The people who maintain the only other even *vaguely* feasible phone operating system are the ones that Apple is buying their new, "better" LLMs _from_

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                              • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                                @lumi in android, we do have 1000s, with all the budget handset manufacturers, and it is a miserable slog to make software in that environment, which is why nobody does. stochastic competition won't solve this problem, what we need is regulation. a UN agency that develops software in the global public interest, mandates that apple/google accept it, and regulates their developer programs.

                                luana@wetdry.worldL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                luana@wetdry.world
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                                #15

                                @glyph @lumi android is one google-controlled OS with many variants, not 1000 OSses

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                                • lumi@snug.moeL lumi@snug.moe

                                  @glyph i hate how there is this duopoly with phone operating systems and neither option really gives you much freedom. we can't just make an ios distro without the apple spyware and llm stuff. making one for android is ... somewhat possible, for now, but google really wants to make sure we do not have that ability anymore

                                  we should have 1000s of competing phone operating systems, such that they are forced to interoperate and work together. not this shitty duopoly

                                  luana@wetdry.worldL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @lumi @glyph there's postmarketOS which is awesome :3

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                                  • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                                    @lumi I mean this is absolute fantasy but so's the competitive environment where 1000s of independent OS providers could exist, so, as long as we're fantasizing, let's dream big

                                    lumi@snug.moeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @glyph i think government regulation could also work here, yeah

                                    though it would have to be done in a way where anyone could make their own from scratch (as in, devices should not be locked down, remote attestation tech should be banned, etc)

                                    also abolish IP law and put software freedom into law (as in, if you distribute software, you must make sure someone else can build it themselves, modify it
                                    and run it with the same features even if modified)

                                    i know, lofty goals, but software freedom and device neutrality should be non-negotiable

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                                    • amenonsen@flipping.rocksA amenonsen@flipping.rocks

                                      @dianea That's just so horrible, for them, their families, for you, just in general. Of course I know in theory that lead poisoning is a serious problem, but I never imagined someone personally knowing that many people who died from it.

                                      (And of course it's far from the only thing people die of in industrial contexts.)

                                      @glyph

                                      dianea@lgbtqia.spaceD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      @amenonsen @glyph

                                      So easy to get a disabling dose of lead poisoning from a single exposure. Working around lead acid batteries and forklifts, breathing any of that white dust. Not washing hands before eating a candy bar with that sweet white lead oxide powder on the fingers. Working in plastics production, heat or fire resistant plastics almost always have lead, antimony, or both. Electrical wire, PVC, probably has it, from experience as someone who maintained the extruders that made it. I know why they use it, as yellowed brittle plastics don't have it. Lead makes people go absolute batshit crazy in about two months. AI seems to have that ability too.

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                                      • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                                        Protesting LLMs by refusing to use any software that includes them feels like attempting to protest the introduction of tetraethyl lead into gasoline by refusing to breathe until everyone stops putting it in their cars. So I am drawing my personal moral lines in such a way that I will probably accept this.

                                        But please don't mistake this for excitement about huffing a bunch of vaporized lead.

                                        cap_ybarra@beige.partyC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        @glyph less of a protest than a desire to continue to have working software. the brainrotted have signaled you won't be getting that from them anymore

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                                        • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                                          @dianea I frequently think "the metaphors I am coming up with are way too bleak. surely someone with direct experience with ionizing radiation / lead / biohazards would chastise me for catastrophizing this" and then people with experience in the fields keep showing up and telling me that I'm not pessimistic *enough*

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                                          #20

                                          @glyph

                                          Don't laugh, but I would rather work around gamma radiation or hazmat again than have to work with AI 🫠

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