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  3. In engineering we say "Good, Cheap, Fast.

In engineering we say "Good, Cheap, Fast.

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  • utf_7@mastodon.socialU utf_7@mastodon.social

    @charette @loucyx

    i have strong opinions on good and fast. even with infinite money, some things are hard to scale

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    @utf_7 @charette @loucyx yeah, I’ve always felt this triangle is a good tool for people who actually make stuff to get some perspective, but when you hand it to people who have no clue they just pick ‘fast and [other]’ and just assume it’ll be cheap enough or good enough.

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    • loucyx@mastodon.socialL loucyx@mastodon.social

      In engineering we say "Good, Cheap, Fast. Pick 2"'. AI is when you pick Fast twice.

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      #18

      @loucyx

      Claude will pick "two".

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      • loucyx@mastodon.socialL loucyx@mastodon.social

        @QuestionGirl good and AI are like water and oil, so I’m inferring you mean that you would choose good and fast over “fast twice” like sloperators do. It’s a good yet expensive choice, but if you have the resources, is a good option.

        I personally prefer good and cheap, which means slow, but only initially. Slowly made good code is faster in the long run, but quickly made bad code will be slower in the long run.

        The only true way to avoid debt is to not take loans to begin with 😊

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        #19

        @loucyx @QuestionGirl

        Pretty sure that's a bot.

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        • loucyx@mastodon.socialL loucyx@mastodon.social

          In engineering we say "Good, Cheap, Fast. Pick 2"'. AI is when you pick Fast twice.

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          #20

          @loucyx dwarf fortress is good twice ( just for its never ending status but it doesnt really have a price for lifetime work)
          And gatcha games are cheap twice lol

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          • owl@gts.u8.isO owl@gts.u8.is

            @loucyx and you also get union trouble  @Axolotl1

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            #21

            @owl if there are unions. Somehow in info tech there rarely are. @loucyx @Axolotl1

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            • cismonx@mastodon.socialC cismonx@mastodon.social

              @loucyx Quite a few people believe that with LLMs you can pick all three.

              It could be true under certain circumstances, but whatever that is, it's certainly not healthy and/or ethical. (e.g., being fast but unsustainable; being good only for the business but not for the users; being cheap by exploiting others)

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              #22

              @cismonx @loucyx But than it's just fast and cheap (at best) 😂
              (I know you know that, just the AI grafters don't.)

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              • loucyx@mastodon.socialL loucyx@mastodon.social

                @QuestionGirl good and AI are like water and oil, so I’m inferring you mean that you would choose good and fast over “fast twice” like sloperators do. It’s a good yet expensive choice, but if you have the resources, is a good option.

                I personally prefer good and cheap, which means slow, but only initially. Slowly made good code is faster in the long run, but quickly made bad code will be slower in the long run.

                The only true way to avoid debt is to not take loans to begin with 😊

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                #23

                @loucyx I always avoid debt in my life, even though many things I took a risk in my final choice 😊🤜🤛

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                • chrisuplus@chaos.socialC chrisuplus@chaos.social

                  @owl if there are unions. Somehow in info tech there rarely are. @loucyx @Axolotl1

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                  #24

                  @ChrisUplus depends on country I guess. Majority of all workers are unionized in the ones I've worked in except for one (USA) @loucyx @Axolotl1

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                  • loucyx@mastodon.socialL loucyx@mastodon.social

                    In engineering we say "Good, Cheap, Fast. Pick 2"'. AI is when you pick Fast twice.

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                    #25

                    @loucyx The swabian (sothwest german) mentality tells me to choose good and fast, as it will be cheaper in the long run than replacing cheap things.

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                    • loucyx@mastodon.socialL loucyx@mastodon.social

                      In engineering we say "Good, Cheap, Fast. Pick 2"'. AI is when you pick Fast twice.

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                      #26

                      @loucyx good and cheap please.

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                      • loucyx@mastodon.socialL loucyx@mastodon.social

                        In engineering we say "Good, Cheap, Fast. Pick 2"'. AI is when you pick Fast twice.

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                        #27

                        @loucyx

                        "But did you see how quickly I did mine?"

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                        • loucyx@mastodon.socialL loucyx@mastodon.social

                          In engineering we say "Good, Cheap, Fast. Pick 2"'. AI is when you pick Fast twice.

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                          #28

                          @loucyx except when you actually need it to work cause it might not do that at all.

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                          • loucyx@mastodon.socialL loucyx@mastodon.social

                            In engineering we say "Good, Cheap, Fast. Pick 2"'. AI is when you pick Fast twice.

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                            #29

                            @loucyx
                            iirc the triangle came from critical path method for manufacturing and construction. It is also applied to human relationships in several ways.

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                            • axolotl1@gaygeek.socialA axolotl1@gaygeek.social

                              @loucyx This triangle can be used in any job related circumstances btw. If someone expects all 3 you can show them the triangle.

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                              #30

                              @Axolotl1 @loucyx
                              I’ve always known it as the “project management triangle”

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                              • loucyx@mastodon.socialL loucyx@mastodon.social

                                In engineering we say "Good, Cheap, Fast. Pick 2"'. AI is when you pick Fast twice.

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                                #31

                                @loucyx
                                Fast2 means "faster than typing, but slower overall, because slop"

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                                • the_roamer@mastodonapp.ukT the_roamer@mastodonapp.uk

                                  @loucyx

                                  Claude will pick "two".

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                                  #32

                                  @the_roamer
                                  GPT will "pick pick" @loucyx

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                                  • loucyx@mastodon.socialL loucyx@mastodon.social

                                    In engineering we say "Good, Cheap, Fast. Pick 2"'. AI is when you pick Fast twice.

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                                    #33

                                    @loucyx with AI you take all 3 twice.

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                                    • charette@mstdn.caC charette@mstdn.ca

                                      @loucyx Sometimes you only get to pick one!

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                                      #34

                                      @charette

                                      "Pick one"
                                      "OK, I go with cheap"
                                      "Here's some slop... and your bill"
                                      "WTF, 250000$?!?"
                                      "If you're not happy with the price, just wait until tomorrow, this will seem like a bargain by then"

                                      @loucyx

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                                      • loucyx@mastodon.socialL loucyx@mastodon.social

                                        In engineering we say "Good, Cheap, Fast. Pick 2"'. AI is when you pick Fast twice.

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                                        #35

                                        @loucyx Never confront a company with this. They don't want to hear it. They want all 3.

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                                        • loucyx@mastodon.socialL loucyx@mastodon.social

                                          In engineering we say "Good, Cheap, Fast. Pick 2"'. AI is when you pick Fast twice.

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                                          @loucyx

                                          What about this version?

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