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  • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    RE: https://hails.org/@hailey/116657391001259044

    all the criticism has been said, all the takes been had. the only metaphor i have been finding consistently useful for understanding what is happening with people and "AI" is addiction, and specifically gambling addiction.

    jonny@neuromatch.socialJ hailey@hails.orgH autkin@fosstodon.orgA uneporte@eldritch.cafeU prema@hachyderm.ioP 16 Replies Last reply
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    • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

      RE: https://hails.org/@hailey/116657391001259044

      all the criticism has been said, all the takes been had. the only metaphor i have been finding consistently useful for understanding what is happening with people and "AI" is addiction, and specifically gambling addiction.

      jonny@neuromatch.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      i love gambling. i have used "AI" extensively. it feels the same.

      ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA snoutgrab@woof.techS delawen@floss.socialD tempusfelix@wehavecookies.socialT jonny@neuromatch.socialJ 5 Replies Last reply
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      • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

        RE: https://hails.org/@hailey/116657391001259044

        all the criticism has been said, all the takes been had. the only metaphor i have been finding consistently useful for understanding what is happening with people and "AI" is addiction, and specifically gambling addiction.

        hailey@hails.orgH This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @jonny 100%. have already seen it affecting a few people I know. it's really sad. just like with other kinds of addiction, you cannot reason them out of it

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        • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

          RE: https://hails.org/@hailey/116657391001259044

          all the criticism has been said, all the takes been had. the only metaphor i have been finding consistently useful for understanding what is happening with people and "AI" is addiction, and specifically gambling addiction.

          autkin@fosstodon.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @jonny i need a "heirloom rsync" fork!

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          • hailey@hails.orgH hailey@hails.org

            @jonny 100%. have already seen it affecting a few people I know. it's really sad. just like with other kinds of addiction, you cannot reason them out of it

            jonny@neuromatch.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @hailey
            There is so much sadness in the world, often packaged as joy.

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            • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

              i love gambling. i have used "AI" extensively. it feels the same.

              ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @jonny Gambling doesn't attract me at all, never has, wonder if that's why I've been more resistant to it than others...

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              • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

                @jonny Gambling doesn't attract me at all, never has, wonder if that's why I've been more resistant to it than others...

                jonny@neuromatch.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @ainmosni
                You have to feel the rush to understand it

                ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA glassresistor@sfba.socialG 2 Replies Last reply
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                • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                  @ainmosni
                  You have to feel the rush to understand it

                  ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @jonny Yeah, I never got that rush, I think my brain is just too stuck in "cynical arsehole" mode for that to work on me.

                  jonny@neuromatch.socialJ datarama@hachyderm.ioD 2 Replies Last reply
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                  • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                    RE: https://hails.org/@hailey/116657391001259044

                    all the criticism has been said, all the takes been had. the only metaphor i have been finding consistently useful for understanding what is happening with people and "AI" is addiction, and specifically gambling addiction.

                    uneporte@eldritch.cafeU This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @jonny there's no AI in gambling...

                    Wait

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                    • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                      i love gambling. i have used "AI" extensively. it feels the same.

                      snoutgrab@woof.techS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @jonny mmm, been thinking a little about this too.

                      unpredictable rewards (will the task be solved or not), unpredictable timing... and the thing is always _almost_ there, just one more prompt, this might be the one...

                      jonny@neuromatch.socialJ davidgerard@circumstances.runD 2 Replies Last reply
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                      • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

                        @jonny Yeah, I never got that rush, I think my brain is just too stuck in "cynical arsehole" mode for that to work on me.

                        jonny@neuromatch.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @ainmosni
                        Well good, keep those walls up, they are protective. I am not so lucky and rely on discipline and observation of the impacts on others. It sets my alarm bells ringing to run for cover, but to understand why the things are happening around me the only means has been to feel it for myself, and I get it.

                        concretedog@mastodon.socialC kalenxi@mastodon.socialK jens@social.finkhaeuser.deJ 3 Replies Last reply
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                        • snoutgrab@woof.techS snoutgrab@woof.tech

                          @jonny mmm, been thinking a little about this too.

                          unpredictable rewards (will the task be solved or not), unpredictable timing... and the thing is always _almost_ there, just one more prompt, this might be the one...

                          jonny@neuromatch.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @snoutgrab
                          Spectacular payoffs with hard withdrawal

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                          • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                            @ainmosni
                            Well good, keep those walls up, they are protective. I am not so lucky and rely on discipline and observation of the impacts on others. It sets my alarm bells ringing to run for cover, but to understand why the things are happening around me the only means has been to feel it for myself, and I get it.

                            concretedog@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @jonny @ainmosni gosh this convo hits... I am not a gambler and am pretty anti LLM ... really interesting.

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                            • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                              @snoutgrab
                              Spectacular payoffs with hard withdrawal

                              snoutgrab@woof.techS This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @jonny ohh yeah. and with ease of access, and an ecosystem of hype... it's so hard not to be exposed, unless you remove yourself from a lot of stuff. wide blast area these days. AI features in notepad.exe

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                              • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                                RE: https://hails.org/@hailey/116657391001259044

                                all the criticism has been said, all the takes been had. the only metaphor i have been finding consistently useful for understanding what is happening with people and "AI" is addiction, and specifically gambling addiction.

                                prema@hachyderm.ioP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @jonny exactly, when i talk to people who maybe just use ai a little bit, their reaponses quite align with things you’d hear from drug addict, some excuses, avoidance, bit of shame.
                                And i agree that the patern is finally similar to gaming/gambling addiction

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                                • snoutgrab@woof.techS snoutgrab@woof.tech

                                  @jonny mmm, been thinking a little about this too.

                                  unpredictable rewards (will the task be solved or not), unpredictable timing... and the thing is always _almost_ there, just one more prompt, this might be the one...

                                  davidgerard@circumstances.runD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @snoutgrab @jonny the "hooked" loop. chatbots as mobile game.

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                                  • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                                    i love gambling. i have used "AI" extensively. it feels the same.

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                                    #17

                                    @jonny I mean... https://www.addictioncenter.com/behavioral-addictions/ai-addiction/

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                                    • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                                      @ainmosni
                                      Well good, keep those walls up, they are protective. I am not so lucky and rely on discipline and observation of the impacts on others. It sets my alarm bells ringing to run for cover, but to understand why the things are happening around me the only means has been to feel it for myself, and I get it.

                                      kalenxi@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      @jonny @ainmosni I've found for me I have to always remind myself to not get lazy when using AI because it's super tempting to just accept what it says without proper review just to get that dopamine hit of closing the bug report or feature request.

                                      I suspect that's what happened with rsync because it seems like they got a lot of CVE reports all at once and basically just told Claude "here deal with these". And AI is perfectly willing to solve a problem that doesn't exist if you tell it to.

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                                      • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                                        RE: https://hails.org/@hailey/116657391001259044

                                        all the criticism has been said, all the takes been had. the only metaphor i have been finding consistently useful for understanding what is happening with people and "AI" is addiction, and specifically gambling addiction.

                                        sassinake@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        @jonny

                                        exactly what @pluralistic said about it a few months back

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                                        • kalenxi@mastodon.socialK kalenxi@mastodon.social

                                          @jonny @ainmosni I've found for me I have to always remind myself to not get lazy when using AI because it's super tempting to just accept what it says without proper review just to get that dopamine hit of closing the bug report or feature request.

                                          I suspect that's what happened with rsync because it seems like they got a lot of CVE reports all at once and basically just told Claude "here deal with these". And AI is perfectly willing to solve a problem that doesn't exist if you tell it to.

                                          kalenxi@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #20

                                          @jonny @ainmosni Contrast that with curl where they also got a bunch of CVE reports from Mythos and upon manual review of the 5 reports they found only 1 actual vulnerability, 1 minor bug, and 3 false positives.

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