100%.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/117358990093685067
100%. The whole "terrorists can use an LLM to build a bomb" is a dumb movie plot threat. If you want to hurt people, lack of knowledge is not your problem. And nobody needs to develop a new chemical to do terrorism. All you need is readily available.
This is just "AI" labs creating imaginary issues to distract us from the real harm they cause.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/117358990093685067
100%. The whole "terrorists can use an LLM to build a bomb" is a dumb movie plot threat. If you want to hurt people, lack of knowledge is not your problem. And nobody needs to develop a new chemical to do terrorism. All you need is readily available.
This is just "AI" labs creating imaginary issues to distract us from the real harm they cause.
@tante In the 90s there was a moral panic about "the internet teaching you how to make bombs". Therefore, the network should be shut down. I went to the Helsinki public library with a friend who's a chemistry student and looked up gunpowder in various dictionaries. Unsurprisingly, most of them were detailed enough that with a little (dangerous!) experimentation, you could follow them to make some.
Nobody I told about this wanted to shut down public libraries. Go figure.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/117358990093685067
100%. The whole "terrorists can use an LLM to build a bomb" is a dumb movie plot threat. If you want to hurt people, lack of knowledge is not your problem. And nobody needs to develop a new chemical to do terrorism. All you need is readily available.
This is just "AI" labs creating imaginary issues to distract us from the real harm they cause.
@tante AI is used to direct the rockets with the explosives strapped to the daughters of Iranian military officers. But then, they have people who would do the same, just a bit slower.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/117358990093685067
100%. The whole "terrorists can use an LLM to build a bomb" is a dumb movie plot threat. If you want to hurt people, lack of knowledge is not your problem. And nobody needs to develop a new chemical to do terrorism. All you need is readily available.
This is just "AI" labs creating imaginary issues to distract us from the real harm they cause.
@tante anyone who wanted to could have made a bomb several decades algo already. It is admittedly very easy to make, but what makes society work is that people usually do not want to make bombs, and the few who want to are so off the rails that they make one blunder or another on the way there.
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@tante In the 90s there was a moral panic about "the internet teaching you how to make bombs". Therefore, the network should be shut down. I went to the Helsinki public library with a friend who's a chemistry student and looked up gunpowder in various dictionaries. Unsurprisingly, most of them were detailed enough that with a little (dangerous!) experimentation, you could follow them to make some.
Nobody I told about this wanted to shut down public libraries. Go figure.
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They also make it harder to spot real information.
Go to a library and there’s a pretty good chance that chemistry books are reviewed by actual chemists and will contain correct instructions.
Go to the Internet and there will be a bunch of things like The Anarchist’s Cookbook full of recipes that are likely to blow your hands off if you try them, but also university sites that contain vetted educational information.
Go to an LLM and the part of the latent space that generates your answer might come from a textbook, might come from some novel, might come from some TimeCube-like alternative chemistry craziness. The second time you ask might come from a different mix of these. And you have no way of knowing which.
Note: if you look up how to build a nuclear bomb on the Internet, the instructions that you’re most likely to find are a CIA ‘leak’ that was intended to send the Soviet nuclear programme down a blind alley, so also won’t work. I wouldn’t be surprised if these ended up with many copies in LLM training sets.
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@tante In the 90s there was a moral panic about "the internet teaching you how to make bombs". Therefore, the network should be shut down. I went to the Helsinki public library with a friend who's a chemistry student and looked up gunpowder in various dictionaries. Unsurprisingly, most of them were detailed enough that with a little (dangerous!) experimentation, you could follow them to make some.
Nobody I told about this wanted to shut down public libraries. Go figure.
@liw @tante There are also hobbyists’ books from the 1950s and 1960s in the public libraries here. Some of them have proper instructions for gunpowder and other explosives. The times after the Second World War were… different.
And I think there are a lot of books about guns and shooting, too. Many people do also have guns as a hobby and own them and ammunition, but somehow this isn’t a problem.
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Different context but listen the the background chorus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_lfgahuMk0
And : "I'm the first in line"
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