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Are you ok with Open Collective fiscal host Open Source Collective using the Peter Thiel funded Persona to do KYC if they ask for consent from each entity first?

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  • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

    Are you ok with Open Collective fiscal host Open Source Collective using the Peter Thiel funded Persona to do KYC if they ask for consent from each entity first?

    gekitsu@toot.catG This user is from outside of this forum
    gekitsu@toot.catG This user is from outside of this forum
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    #2

    @liaizon honestly, the responses you linked the other day were endlessly puzzling to me – how in the world do you, of your own free will, make your open source initiative use a service linked to thiel and palantir? how is this something that required ‘news breaking’ to understand, or something a post bein gdrafted could solve?

    those names come up and you turn the other way and say ‘fuck no.’ this is like putting up swastika wallpaper thinking it’s going to be fine, you can also sit in the closet where we didn’t put it up.

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    • gekitsu@toot.catG gekitsu@toot.cat

      @liaizon honestly, the responses you linked the other day were endlessly puzzling to me – how in the world do you, of your own free will, make your open source initiative use a service linked to thiel and palantir? how is this something that required ‘news breaking’ to understand, or something a post bein gdrafted could solve?

      those names come up and you turn the other way and say ‘fuck no.’ this is like putting up swastika wallpaper thinking it’s going to be fine, you can also sit in the closet where we didn’t put it up.

      liaizon@social.wake.stL This user is from outside of this forum
      liaizon@social.wake.stL This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      @gekitsu 1000% with you. I am utterly baffled by their responses and will not stop my criticism till there is a direct response that addresses this issue head on. I really don't want to head in the direction of trying to convince the many thousands of projects that they should give up on using OC entirely because of this.

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      • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

        Are you ok with Open Collective fiscal host Open Source Collective using the Peter Thiel funded Persona to do KYC if they ask for consent from each entity first?

        freakazoid@retro.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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        #4

        @liaizon wish I could see who responded yes so I can block the bootlickers.

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        • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

          Are you ok with Open Collective fiscal host Open Source Collective using the Peter Thiel funded Persona to do KYC if they ask for consent from each entity first?

          liaizon@social.wake.stL This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          @aral @dansup @Gargron @stux @Gina
          as friends with a large following here I would really appreciate a signal boost of this poll to help guide OC in understanding how bad a move this is they are making.

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          • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

            @aral @dansup @Gargron @stux @Gina
            as friends with a large following here I would really appreciate a signal boost of this poll to help guide OC in understanding how bad a move this is they are making.

            dansup@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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            #6

            @liaizon @aral @Gargron @stux @Gina didn't they say they will only use this for rare occasions?

            I think you're doing more harm than good, there are few ethical funding platforms like them, and we shouldn't be so quick to assume the worst, after seeing they are looking for non-us alternatives.

            You trying to push projects away could lead to someone not getting funding, are you sure you want to put your own privilege above those who may not have the same?

            neptune22222@kolektiva.socialN liaizon@social.wake.stL ophiocephalic@kolektiva.socialO 3 Replies Last reply
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            • dansup@mastodon.socialD dansup@mastodon.social

              @liaizon @aral @Gargron @stux @Gina didn't they say they will only use this for rare occasions?

              I think you're doing more harm than good, there are few ethical funding platforms like them, and we shouldn't be so quick to assume the worst, after seeing they are looking for non-us alternatives.

              You trying to push projects away could lead to someone not getting funding, are you sure you want to put your own privilege above those who may not have the same?

              neptune22222@kolektiva.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
              neptune22222@kolektiva.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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              #7

              @dansup

              No, I don't think anyone said it would be for "rare occasions". I have not been paying too much attention to this, but from my limited awareness, I believe they said they would make it optional to allow financial institutions to collaborate with them that use Persona. Boycotting Persona would pressure those financial institutions to stop using Persona.

              @liaizon @aral @Gargron @stux @Gina

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              • dansup@mastodon.socialD dansup@mastodon.social

                @liaizon @aral @Gargron @stux @Gina didn't they say they will only use this for rare occasions?

                I think you're doing more harm than good, there are few ethical funding platforms like them, and we shouldn't be so quick to assume the worst, after seeing they are looking for non-us alternatives.

                You trying to push projects away could lead to someone not getting funding, are you sure you want to put your own privilege above those who may not have the same?

                liaizon@social.wake.stL This user is from outside of this forum
                liaizon@social.wake.stL This user is from outside of this forum
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                #8

                @dansup I am a huge fan of OC, I don't want to push anyone away from using them, I want to push OC to see the error in their judgement. I am a member of multiple collectives who use OC and have a specific interest in the future of OC to continue being a trusted partner in our collective open future stack. The move they are making is currently breaking this trust.

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                • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                  Are you ok with Open Collective fiscal host Open Source Collective using the Peter Thiel funded Persona to do KYC if they ask for consent from each entity first?

                  sharpcheddargoblin@kolektiva.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #9

                  @liaizon Who the fuck votes "yes" on this?

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                  • dansup@mastodon.socialD dansup@mastodon.social

                    @liaizon @aral @Gargron @stux @Gina didn't they say they will only use this for rare occasions?

                    I think you're doing more harm than good, there are few ethical funding platforms like them, and we shouldn't be so quick to assume the worst, after seeing they are looking for non-us alternatives.

                    You trying to push projects away could lead to someone not getting funding, are you sure you want to put your own privilege above those who may not have the same?

                    ophiocephalic@kolektiva.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
                    ophiocephalic@kolektiva.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #10

                    @dansup
                    There's nothing "privileged" about pushing back against technofascist creep. It's as important a thing to do as anything in the world right now

                    @liaizon @aral @Gargron @stux @Gina

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                    • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                      @aral @dansup @Gargron @stux @Gina
                      as friends with a large following here I would really appreciate a signal boost of this poll to help guide OC in understanding how bad a move this is they are making.

                      azuaron@cyberpunk.lolA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #11

                      @liaizon @aral @dansup @Gargron @stux @Gina@fosstodon.org I'm not okay with ANYONE use Palantir/Persona/anything else Thiel is involved in. Especially if that "thing" is surveillance-related.

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                      • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                        Are you ok with Open Collective fiscal host Open Source Collective using the Peter Thiel funded Persona to do KYC if they ask for consent from each entity first?

                        praxeology@post.lurk.orgP This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #12

                        @liaizon Nice to see your pushback worked.

                        Now maybe somebody can explain the tragic irony of an organization called "Open Source Europe" choosing the open source platform… erm… Discord?!?! for all their support and news comms.
                        https://opencollective.com/europe/updates/big-updates-for-open-source-europe

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