A lot of people talking about dumping Proton right now are misunderstanding what actually happened.
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A lot of people talking about dumping Proton right now are misunderstanding what actually happened.
Feds were able to coerce the Swiss government to coerce Proton to hand over whatever data they had on an anonymous Stop Cop City email address, that was being investigated for terrorism.
That metadata included credit card details information for the account, which is very difficult to anonymize.
Proton offers cash payments to work around this obvious security flaw.
If you must pay for a Proton account for a radical project, pay with cash (you can mail it) or washed crypto (Monero -> Bitcoin).
All credit card payments are traceable, even to a privacy-focused company.
Your security model should not rely on a business to fight the state on your behalf.
Your email or VPN provider is not going to risk prison time for your $5/mo. It's just not going to happen, at least for anything commercial. Tuta and every other email privacy-focused email company will comply with court orders.
Trying to find the perfect email provider is a fool's errand. It doesn't exist.
You can however anonymize your useage of privacy friendly services like Proton, Tuta, or Mailbox by not entering your credit card number, phone number, name, personal email, or IP to that account.
@COSAntiFascists it does seem like the biggest takeaway from the proton discourse (besides what you wrote) is not anything about proton themselves but rather than the swiss government is a lot more willing to coerce companies to give up data than they used to be
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A lot of people talking about dumping Proton right now are misunderstanding what actually happened.
Feds were able to coerce the Swiss government to coerce Proton to hand over whatever data they had on an anonymous Stop Cop City email address, that was being investigated for terrorism.
That metadata included credit card details information for the account, which is very difficult to anonymize.
Proton offers cash payments to work around this obvious security flaw.
If you must pay for a Proton account for a radical project, pay with cash (you can mail it) or washed crypto (Monero -> Bitcoin).
All credit card payments are traceable, even to a privacy-focused company.
Your security model should not rely on a business to fight the state on your behalf.
Your email or VPN provider is not going to risk prison time for your $5/mo. It's just not going to happen, at least for anything commercial. Tuta and every other email privacy-focused email company will comply with court orders.
Trying to find the perfect email provider is a fool's errand. It doesn't exist.
You can however anonymize your useage of privacy friendly services like Proton, Tuta, or Mailbox by not entering your credit card number, phone number, name, personal email, or IP to that account.
@COSAntiFascists OK but the CEO of Proton also praised the orange one.
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@COSAntiFascists OK but the CEO of Proton also praised the orange one.
@dalias @COSAntiFascists did he really?
From what I dug up, seems like he praised Trump's FTC pick, which is quite far of an endorsement of Trump.
I also praise some of Trump's moves, namely tarrifs (implementation could be better). AOC also sometimes agrees with Ted Cruz on stuff.
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A lot of people talking about dumping Proton right now are misunderstanding what actually happened.
Feds were able to coerce the Swiss government to coerce Proton to hand over whatever data they had on an anonymous Stop Cop City email address, that was being investigated for terrorism.
That metadata included credit card details information for the account, which is very difficult to anonymize.
Proton offers cash payments to work around this obvious security flaw.
If you must pay for a Proton account for a radical project, pay with cash (you can mail it) or washed crypto (Monero -> Bitcoin).
All credit card payments are traceable, even to a privacy-focused company.
Your security model should not rely on a business to fight the state on your behalf.
Your email or VPN provider is not going to risk prison time for your $5/mo. It's just not going to happen, at least for anything commercial. Tuta and every other email privacy-focused email company will comply with court orders.
Trying to find the perfect email provider is a fool's errand. It doesn't exist.
You can however anonymize your useage of privacy friendly services like Proton, Tuta, or Mailbox by not entering your credit card number, phone number, name, personal email, or IP to that account.
idk sounds like "they were just following orders" to me. a weird thing for antifascists to say.
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@dalias @COSAntiFascists did he really?
From what I dug up, seems like he praised Trump's FTC pick, which is quite far of an endorsement of Trump.
I also praise some of Trump's moves, namely tarrifs (implementation could be better). AOC also sometimes agrees with Ted Cruz on stuff.
@budududuroiu @COSAntiFascists You do not praise actions of a nazi. EVER.
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A lot of people talking about dumping Proton right now are misunderstanding what actually happened.
Feds were able to coerce the Swiss government to coerce Proton to hand over whatever data they had on an anonymous Stop Cop City email address, that was being investigated for terrorism.
That metadata included credit card details information for the account, which is very difficult to anonymize.
Proton offers cash payments to work around this obvious security flaw.
If you must pay for a Proton account for a radical project, pay with cash (you can mail it) or washed crypto (Monero -> Bitcoin).
All credit card payments are traceable, even to a privacy-focused company.
Your security model should not rely on a business to fight the state on your behalf.
Your email or VPN provider is not going to risk prison time for your $5/mo. It's just not going to happen, at least for anything commercial. Tuta and every other email privacy-focused email company will comply with court orders.
Trying to find the perfect email provider is a fool's errand. It doesn't exist.
You can however anonymize your useage of privacy friendly services like Proton, Tuta, or Mailbox by not entering your credit card number, phone number, name, personal email, or IP to that account.
@COSAntiFascists
Everyone only reads the first paragraph then runs around like a chicken with no head. -
@budududuroiu @COSAntiFascists You do not praise actions of a nazi. EVER.
@dalias
So we become knee jerk left wing reactionaries, opposing reasonable policy as soon as someone otherwise objectionable says them? No nuance is ever allowed?
It's what phrases like "a stopped clock is right twice a day" are for
@budududuroiu @COSAntiFascists -
A lot of people talking about dumping Proton right now are misunderstanding what actually happened.
Feds were able to coerce the Swiss government to coerce Proton to hand over whatever data they had on an anonymous Stop Cop City email address, that was being investigated for terrorism.
That metadata included credit card details information for the account, which is very difficult to anonymize.
Proton offers cash payments to work around this obvious security flaw.
If you must pay for a Proton account for a radical project, pay with cash (you can mail it) or washed crypto (Monero -> Bitcoin).
All credit card payments are traceable, even to a privacy-focused company.
Your security model should not rely on a business to fight the state on your behalf.
Your email or VPN provider is not going to risk prison time for your $5/mo. It's just not going to happen, at least for anything commercial. Tuta and every other email privacy-focused email company will comply with court orders.
Trying to find the perfect email provider is a fool's errand. It doesn't exist.
You can however anonymize your useage of privacy friendly services like Proton, Tuta, or Mailbox by not entering your credit card number, phone number, name, personal email, or IP to that account.
Also, use single-use-credit-cards that you can charge via cash payment, then bin them.
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A lot of people talking about dumping Proton right now are misunderstanding what actually happened.
Feds were able to coerce the Swiss government to coerce Proton to hand over whatever data they had on an anonymous Stop Cop City email address, that was being investigated for terrorism.
That metadata included credit card details information for the account, which is very difficult to anonymize.
Proton offers cash payments to work around this obvious security flaw.
If you must pay for a Proton account for a radical project, pay with cash (you can mail it) or washed crypto (Monero -> Bitcoin).
All credit card payments are traceable, even to a privacy-focused company.
Your security model should not rely on a business to fight the state on your behalf.
Your email or VPN provider is not going to risk prison time for your $5/mo. It's just not going to happen, at least for anything commercial. Tuta and every other email privacy-focused email company will comply with court orders.
Trying to find the perfect email provider is a fool's errand. It doesn't exist.
You can however anonymize your useage of privacy friendly services like Proton, Tuta, or Mailbox by not entering your credit card number, phone number, name, personal email, or IP to that account.
@COSAntiFascists If you're going to use a VPN to establish a Proton/Tuta account, or grab your email, be sure you know what data they can leak as well.
Here is a comparison spreadsheet someone kindly put together several years ago, has not been updated with new VPN providers since (2020?)
https://web.archive.org/web/20170107044454/https://thatoneprivacysite.net/vpn-comparison-chart/
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Also, use single-use-credit-cards that you can charge via cash payment, then bin them.
Serious question, is this still a thing? Because all the cards in the stores here can be purchased with cash but then you have to go online and provide ID to actually use the card.
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@dalias @COSAntiFascists did he really?
From what I dug up, seems like he praised Trump's FTC pick, which is quite far of an endorsement of Trump.
I also praise some of Trump's moves, namely tarrifs (implementation could be better). AOC also sometimes agrees with Ted Cruz on stuff.
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@dalias
So we become knee jerk left wing reactionaries, opposing reasonable policy as soon as someone otherwise objectionable says them? No nuance is ever allowed?
It's what phrases like "a stopped clock is right twice a day" are for
@budududuroiu @COSAntiFascists -
A lot of people talking about dumping Proton right now are misunderstanding what actually happened.
Feds were able to coerce the Swiss government to coerce Proton to hand over whatever data they had on an anonymous Stop Cop City email address, that was being investigated for terrorism.
That metadata included credit card details information for the account, which is very difficult to anonymize.
Proton offers cash payments to work around this obvious security flaw.
If you must pay for a Proton account for a radical project, pay with cash (you can mail it) or washed crypto (Monero -> Bitcoin).
All credit card payments are traceable, even to a privacy-focused company.
Your security model should not rely on a business to fight the state on your behalf.
Your email or VPN provider is not going to risk prison time for your $5/mo. It's just not going to happen, at least for anything commercial. Tuta and every other email privacy-focused email company will comply with court orders.
Trying to find the perfect email provider is a fool's errand. It doesn't exist.
You can however anonymize your useage of privacy friendly services like Proton, Tuta, or Mailbox by not entering your credit card number, phone number, name, personal email, or IP to that account.
@COSAntiFascists Once again: Tools are no substitutes for knowledge.
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A lot of people talking about dumping Proton right now are misunderstanding what actually happened.
Feds were able to coerce the Swiss government to coerce Proton to hand over whatever data they had on an anonymous Stop Cop City email address, that was being investigated for terrorism.
That metadata included credit card details information for the account, which is very difficult to anonymize.
Proton offers cash payments to work around this obvious security flaw.
If you must pay for a Proton account for a radical project, pay with cash (you can mail it) or washed crypto (Monero -> Bitcoin).
All credit card payments are traceable, even to a privacy-focused company.
Your security model should not rely on a business to fight the state on your behalf.
Your email or VPN provider is not going to risk prison time for your $5/mo. It's just not going to happen, at least for anything commercial. Tuta and every other email privacy-focused email company will comply with court orders.
Trying to find the perfect email provider is a fool's errand. It doesn't exist.
You can however anonymize your useage of privacy friendly services like Proton, Tuta, or Mailbox by not entering your credit card number, phone number, name, personal email, or IP to that account.
@COSAntiFascists its a shame more people are not hip to this. You need to treat security like an onion, and deal with all aspects of OPSEC all the way down the stack.
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A lot of people talking about dumping Proton right now are misunderstanding what actually happened.
Feds were able to coerce the Swiss government to coerce Proton to hand over whatever data they had on an anonymous Stop Cop City email address, that was being investigated for terrorism.
That metadata included credit card details information for the account, which is very difficult to anonymize.
Proton offers cash payments to work around this obvious security flaw.
If you must pay for a Proton account for a radical project, pay with cash (you can mail it) or washed crypto (Monero -> Bitcoin).
All credit card payments are traceable, even to a privacy-focused company.
Your security model should not rely on a business to fight the state on your behalf.
Your email or VPN provider is not going to risk prison time for your $5/mo. It's just not going to happen, at least for anything commercial. Tuta and every other email privacy-focused email company will comply with court orders.
Trying to find the perfect email provider is a fool's errand. It doesn't exist.
You can however anonymize your useage of privacy friendly services like Proton, Tuta, or Mailbox by not entering your credit card number, phone number, name, personal email, or IP to that account.
@COSAntiFascists I signed up with cash. Later I was made to provide my payment information.
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A lot of people talking about dumping Proton right now are misunderstanding what actually happened.
Feds were able to coerce the Swiss government to coerce Proton to hand over whatever data they had on an anonymous Stop Cop City email address, that was being investigated for terrorism.
That metadata included credit card details information for the account, which is very difficult to anonymize.
Proton offers cash payments to work around this obvious security flaw.
If you must pay for a Proton account for a radical project, pay with cash (you can mail it) or washed crypto (Monero -> Bitcoin).
All credit card payments are traceable, even to a privacy-focused company.
Your security model should not rely on a business to fight the state on your behalf.
Your email or VPN provider is not going to risk prison time for your $5/mo. It's just not going to happen, at least for anything commercial. Tuta and every other email privacy-focused email company will comply with court orders.
Trying to find the perfect email provider is a fool's errand. It doesn't exist.
You can however anonymize your useage of privacy friendly services like Proton, Tuta, or Mailbox by not entering your credit card number, phone number, name, personal email, or IP to that account.
@COSAntiFascists this is a shit take, comrade
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A lot of people talking about dumping Proton right now are misunderstanding what actually happened.
Feds were able to coerce the Swiss government to coerce Proton to hand over whatever data they had on an anonymous Stop Cop City email address, that was being investigated for terrorism.
That metadata included credit card details information for the account, which is very difficult to anonymize.
Proton offers cash payments to work around this obvious security flaw.
If you must pay for a Proton account for a radical project, pay with cash (you can mail it) or washed crypto (Monero -> Bitcoin).
All credit card payments are traceable, even to a privacy-focused company.
Your security model should not rely on a business to fight the state on your behalf.
Your email or VPN provider is not going to risk prison time for your $5/mo. It's just not going to happen, at least for anything commercial. Tuta and every other email privacy-focused email company will comply with court orders.
Trying to find the perfect email provider is a fool's errand. It doesn't exist.
You can however anonymize your useage of privacy friendly services like Proton, Tuta, or Mailbox by not entering your credit card number, phone number, name, personal email, or IP to that account.
@COSAntiFascists
Corporations are legal entities. Governments control the law. So you can never trust corporations. -
A lot of people talking about dumping Proton right now are misunderstanding what actually happened.
Feds were able to coerce the Swiss government to coerce Proton to hand over whatever data they had on an anonymous Stop Cop City email address, that was being investigated for terrorism.
That metadata included credit card details information for the account, which is very difficult to anonymize.
Proton offers cash payments to work around this obvious security flaw.
If you must pay for a Proton account for a radical project, pay with cash (you can mail it) or washed crypto (Monero -> Bitcoin).
All credit card payments are traceable, even to a privacy-focused company.
Your security model should not rely on a business to fight the state on your behalf.
Your email or VPN provider is not going to risk prison time for your $5/mo. It's just not going to happen, at least for anything commercial. Tuta and every other email privacy-focused email company will comply with court orders.
Trying to find the perfect email provider is a fool's errand. It doesn't exist.
You can however anonymize your useage of privacy friendly services like Proton, Tuta, or Mailbox by not entering your credit card number, phone number, name, personal email, or IP to that account.
@COSAntiFascists "Your email or VPN provider is not going to risk prison time for your $5/mo."
- Taking a risk for $5/mo, no. But given the masses talking about dumping Proton rn, this decision is going to cost them much, much more than $5/mo.
- Im no lawyer, but im pretty sure this isnt a case of going straight to prison. Unless Switzerland is a totalitarian state and i didnt notice, there are legal measures they could have taken instead of immediately folding.
- Selling themselves as the 'privacy' option then selling out an activist without so much as a whimper is a bad look, and they deserve to lose trust and users.
- This wouldn't happen with riseup (like, they dont charge, so its literately impossible)
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@dalias @COSAntiFascists did he really?
From what I dug up, seems like he praised Trump's FTC pick, which is quite far of an endorsement of Trump.
I also praise some of Trump's moves, namely tarrifs (implementation could be better). AOC also sometimes agrees with Ted Cruz on stuff.
@budududuroiu well Gail Slater is also trash so this defense is rather empty.
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@budududuroiu well Gail Slater is also trash so this defense is rather empty.
@axolotl it's not defense, I don't look to corporations to be the guardians of morality, just saying the person I was replying was saying nonsense
