If you're a white person on the Fediverse and you've never seen someone called a slur, or threats made against them--congratulations!

[markus_quandt@mastodon.green]

@dave I honestly had not understood that before, thanks for explaining.

[toothpaste_sandwich@mastodon.nl]

@kkarhan @dave I'm not sure if I read this bug report as "unwillingness". No actual replies from any developers is not ideal, but it's different from a hard no.

[kkarhan@infosec.space]

@toothpaste_sandwich @dave I consider the maintainers closing a valid issue as unwillingness…

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@Rhube @MxAlba @dave I think you misread because the above has no impact on public posts without any reply restrictions. It would be part of the long requested reply control features one could use if you want to limit who can reply to you. And one very useful limitiation would be "you can't change the scope of who the post is visible to".

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@gunchleoc @dave That would be another useful control, control of who can @ you outside a reply context.

[catdragon@mastodon.world]

@semitones @dave harrassers have no shame. They prefer anonymity because they hate repercussions in the real world.

[toothpaste_sandwich@mastodon.nl]

@kkarhan @dave I don't know enough about the issue to say if it's a duplicate issue or not... But it still doesn't read as unwillingness to me.

That said, I share your hope that this is something that can be improved on soon!

[flesh@transfem.social]

@thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io @pierrenick@hachyderm.io @dave@alvarado.social It's certainly a useful feature, but one with its own potential for abuse.

[light@noc.social]

@dave
>The most information they can share is "see look, this *happens*.  It happened to *me*."
That's the value of receipts

[sibylle@troet.cafe]

@dave I was fully unaware of this. And as far as I understood from the comments, this has been filed as an issue and has been ignored by the developers.

I love mastodon. And I really think it should be like this for all the people.

Maybe it helps, if we adress this publicly? Like we expect men to act up on sexual violence instead of just shrugging it off as "never happened to me, can't be that big of an issue".

Sorry for my ignorance - where can we complain?

[flesh@transfem.social]

@dave@alvarado.social @flippac@types.pl I am not accusing anyone nor denying the harassment, but it's also worth keeping in mind that screenshots don't really prove anything, especially given how the accounts are sockpuppets.
If one is inclined to believe you, they'll probably believe you when you just say you were harassed. If one's inclined to accuse you of lying, they can easily dismiss screenshots as fabricated.
So the people who "need more proof" are generally not people who are gonna be convinced by it anyway.

[harueb@mk.absturztau.be]

@dave@alvarado.social I feel like I'm missing something here, how does the target see the followers only replies if they don't follow accounts of the harasser(s)? Do people mentioned in followers only posts also see those posts, even though they aren't followers?

[dave@alvarado.social]

@HaruEb because they're directly mentioned, the same as you're directly mentioned here in my reply.

[dave@alvarado.social]

@flesh @flippac I agree, and generally when people are posting screenshots it's in response to "I don't see it so I don't believe it's happening". it's not to accuse a particular sock puppet.

[dave@alvarado.social]

@sibylle the Mastodon team is the right place. They have recently changed their organization some and hired some additional people, so there's a chance the complaint is received more seriously than similar complaints have been received in the past when it was really one man making the decisions.

[dave@alvarado.social]

@dalias @MxAlba yes, this. "Public post but only <my followers and/or people I follow> can reply" would be a huge step in the right direction. It would let you say something to the world without letting the world talk back, but you still get feedback from your friends.

"I want to get this off my chest but I don't want to hear your opinion about it" is not possible in Mastodon today.

[dave@alvarado.social]

@shlee @fishidwardrobe certainly it's harder on the internet where the jerk is out of physical reach.

[dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.org]

@leeloo @dave that was kind of my thought - each account named would publish the replies for its own followers to see.

But yeah, followers of the OP would
Would work just as well for keeping a thread readable, and preventing someone from invisibly harassing.

[woozle@toot.cat]

@dave OMG THIS EXPLAINS SO MUCH. I knew of the phenomenon ("I'm being abused but nobody else can see it") but not the mechanism.

Thank you much!

[dave@alvarado.social]

@TheJen I actually really love this idea, like setting off an alarm.