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  • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

    People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

    mr_e@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #8

    @romeu
    I once had to explain to HR that a code check in was not a valid metric for a write up of a senior developer. They were angry he wasn't doing as many check ins as the junior developers. I walked them through that he was a code reviewer and that he had more impactful check ins, but they were not convinced.

    I then pulled up one of their power points and showed them the version history. I hypothetically asked them why they were not more consistently productive and some days didn't have any updates.

    It helped a lot.

    I still feel crazy thinking about it.

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    • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

      People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

      jkb@gotosocial.jkbockstael.beJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #9

      @romeu I burned a lot of fuel, therefore I am very efficient.

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      • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

        People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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        #10

        @romeu Checkmates Goodhart's law by being a terrible metric even when not measured.

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        • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

          People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

          einarwh@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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          #11

          @romeu It's probably the best possible metric for how hard you're cargo culting though, so it depends on your aims.

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          • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

            People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

            jadam_fr@hachyderm.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #12

            @romeu
            I read a story somewhere of a developer setting up a token burning script that builds badly designed cities in Sim City...

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            • jadam_fr@hachyderm.ioJ jadam_fr@hachyderm.io

              @romeu
              I read a story somewhere of a developer setting up a token burning script that builds badly designed cities in Sim City...

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              #13

              @jadam_fr @romeu
              Hence, we need to be specific: token used to generate code is a BS metric, where BS stands for beyond satanic.

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              • jkb@gotosocial.jkbockstael.beJ jkb@gotosocial.jkbockstael.be

                @romeu I burned a lot of fuel, therefore I am very efficient.

                sanityinc@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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                #14

                @jkb @romeu "statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged"

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                • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                  People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                  #15

                  @romeu number of left clicks

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                  • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                    People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                    #16

                    @romeu
                    It's like Dotcom eras "Cash burn rate", but this time it's AI data centers burning the planet.

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                    • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                      People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                      #17

                      @romeu Someome came to me the other day asking why my token count was so low. I didn't realize that was a productivity metric. WTF.

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                      • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                        People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                        #18

                        @romeu Could be "air breathed".
                        Code lines are least an outcome, but tokens are a resource you spent to create outcome.
                        Like breathing, typing, Watts used by your computer, etc.

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                        • jeantranscene@mastodon.socialJ jeantranscene@mastodon.social

                          @romeu Someome came to me the other day asking why my token count was so low. I didn't realize that was a productivity metric. WTF.

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                          #19

                          @jeantranscene @romeu

                          It's like measuring car performance by gallons per mile instead of miles per gallon.

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                          • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                            People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                            #20

                            @romeu I do remember when at work they were using the "committed lines of code" metric. One week I managed to do a SINGLE line change. Fixing a bug which haunted us for months. As they finally acknowledged, the main issue was not the change but knowing exactly where it was needed. The metric had been since buried

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                            • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                              People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                              #21

                              @romeu Hmm. What about kLOC/token? 🤔

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                              • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                                People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                                #22

                                @romeu I for one measure my car's quality by how much fuel it burns

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                                • lenotaire@mastodon.socialL lenotaire@mastodon.social

                                  @romeu I do remember when at work they were using the "committed lines of code" metric. One week I managed to do a SINGLE line change. Fixing a bug which haunted us for months. As they finally acknowledged, the main issue was not the change but knowing exactly where it was needed. The metric had been since buried

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                                  #23

                                  @lenotaire @romeu $9995 for knowing where to tap.

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