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  • georgetakei@universeodon.comG georgetakei@universeodon.com

    Rep. Ted Lieu isn't backing down.

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    #33

    @georgetakei zero people have ever been held accountable.

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @swordgeek @georgetakei

      could we please stop with the cowardly spineless cynicism?

      we want the usa to improve, yes?

      so we don't speak in mindless capitulation that is not wise, is not useful, and just boils down to useless whiny "everything sucks forever, waah"

      we speak of how we can improve things and work towards that

      cynicism is acceptance of fascism

      the cynic is MAGA's best friend

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      #34

      @benroyce @swordgeek @georgetakei you’re right. I still observe myself being being sarcastic or cynical to cope with all that shit, but I also realize that this won’t improve anything. There’s still hope.

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      • manyroads@mstdn.socialM manyroads@mstdn.social

        @Jakenke @benroyce @swordgeek @georgetakei Have you considered not playing their game? So long as people drink the cool-aid (left or right) they retain control. Here's a great example of Trump ( #Taco ) blinking...

        https://mstdn.social/@ManyRoads/116364555001927978

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        #35

        @ManyRoads @Jakenke @swordgeek @georgetakei

        well we feel a need to call it out

        george writes a hopeful post and you can see under george's top post above many comments exhibiting this sort of dissipated, ineffectual impotent mindless cynicism that is all too common in the world

        and only serves to help MAGA

        so we'll call it out

        it may be pointless for the person we are responding to, these whiners often seem too far gone and insincere

        it's for the sake of everyone else reading along

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        • georgetakei@universeodon.comG georgetakei@universeodon.com

          Rep. Ted Lieu isn't backing down.

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          #36

          @georgetakei This is why Trump & Hegseth are firing Generals & Admirals. They want leaders that will disobey the USMJ and International Laws about wartime actions.

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          • lordkhan@social.cologneL lordkhan@social.cologne

            @benroyce @swordgeek @georgetakei you’re right. I still observe myself being being sarcastic or cynical to cope with all that shit, but I also realize that this won’t improve anything. There’s still hope.

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            #37

            @lordkhan @swordgeek @georgetakei

            self-awareness

            you have it, to your credit

            and i as well can feel bleak. we all do at times

            but it seems to be a dying artform in this world where some can pull themselves out of it, and others wallow in it and make it their entire identity

            defeated people. learned helplessness

            they only serve as an aid to MAGA

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @ManyRoads @Jakenke @swordgeek @georgetakei

              well we feel a need to call it out

              george writes a hopeful post and you can see under george's top post above many comments exhibiting this sort of dissipated, ineffectual impotent mindless cynicism that is all too common in the world

              and only serves to help MAGA

              so we'll call it out

              it may be pointless for the person we are responding to, these whiners often seem too far gone and insincere

              it's for the sake of everyone else reading along

              manyroads@mstdn.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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              #38

              @benroyce @Jakenke @swordgeek @georgetakei Here's an example of not wrapping things around a label. This person has a valuable position no matter he's in a right-wing government... Amplify thoughts worth sharing, de-emphasize the labels."

              https://mstdn.social/@ManyRoads/116364607326117509

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              • georgetakei@universeodon.comG georgetakei@universeodon.com

                Rep. Ted Lieu isn't backing down.

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                #39

                @georgetakei Every minute matters… please help us reach €300 🙏🙏

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                • manyroads@mstdn.socialM manyroads@mstdn.social

                  @benroyce @Jakenke @swordgeek @georgetakei Here's an example of not wrapping things around a label. This person has a valuable position no matter he's in a right-wing government... Amplify thoughts worth sharing, de-emphasize the labels."

                  https://mstdn.social/@ManyRoads/116364607326117509

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                  #40

                  @ManyRoads @Jakenke @swordgeek @georgetakei

                  well i mean:

                  fuck fake left wingers who are just useless cynics coping

                  but also fuck right wingers

                  but you have your approach. i appreciate it

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    @ManyRoads @Jakenke @swordgeek @georgetakei

                    well we feel a need to call it out

                    george writes a hopeful post and you can see under george's top post above many comments exhibiting this sort of dissipated, ineffectual impotent mindless cynicism that is all too common in the world

                    and only serves to help MAGA

                    so we'll call it out

                    it may be pointless for the person we are responding to, these whiners often seem too far gone and insincere

                    it's for the sake of everyone else reading along

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                    #41

                    @benroyce @ManyRoads @Jakenke @swordgeek @georgetakei I agree with Ben here and personally happy he’s constantly calling these things out.

                    The cynicism and despair flooding the zone seems intended, to me, to reduce participation in the non-violent means we have of change.

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @ManyRoads @Jakenke @swordgeek @georgetakei

                      well i mean:

                      fuck fake left wingers who are just useless cynics coping

                      but also fuck right wingers

                      but you have your approach. i appreciate it

                      manyroads@mstdn.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #42

                      @benroyce @Jakenke @swordgeek @georgetakei Good ideas are good ideas. Good people are good people. Anything else is pretty much bias or deafness.

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                      • manyroads@mstdn.socialM manyroads@mstdn.social

                        @benroyce @Jakenke @swordgeek @georgetakei Good ideas are good ideas. Good people are good people. Anything else is pretty much bias or deafness.

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                        #43

                        @ManyRoads @Jakenke @swordgeek @georgetakei

                        well said

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                        • georgetakei@universeodon.comG georgetakei@universeodon.com

                          Rep. Ted Lieu isn't backing down.

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                          #44

                          @georgetakei Maybe the administration after the next administration.

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                          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                            @Jakenke @swordgeek @georgetakei

                            some is troll psyop from MAGA and geopolitical actors. maybe not paid troll farm, just random edgelords enjoying a game

                            but entitled, lazy detached people who consider themselves on the left is also real

                            a mirror image of MAGA in terms of a rotten society. these fake leftists are as bad as MAGA

                            fake leftists because they do not have an ideological position, they have a psychological position

                            they don't care about improving society, they care about whining

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                            #45

                            @benroyce @swordgeek @georgetakei

                            You’re right but IMO they mesh together. The most effective astroturfing takes a real phenomenon/sentiment and amplifies it. That could be as simple as vote and engagement manipulation to boost ‘real’ comments.

                            E.g. after the last two No Kings protests Reddit was flooded with “it doesn’t matter/waste of time/these protests are useless” comments. Many were probably ‘real’ but astroturfers likely seized the opportunity to upvote them.

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                            • jakenke@mastodon.socialJ jakenke@mastodon.social

                              @benroyce @swordgeek @georgetakei

                              You’re right but IMO they mesh together. The most effective astroturfing takes a real phenomenon/sentiment and amplifies it. That could be as simple as vote and engagement manipulation to boost ‘real’ comments.

                              E.g. after the last two No Kings protests Reddit was flooded with “it doesn’t matter/waste of time/these protests are useless” comments. Many were probably ‘real’ but astroturfers likely seized the opportunity to upvote them.

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                              #46

                              @Jakenke @swordgeek @georgetakei

                              well said

                              and we can go further and say that the entire effort at discerning if someone is a troll working the learned helplessness psyop, or if they are genuinely this sort of whiny entitled useless cynic, it doesn't matter

                              cynical voices are capitulation to fascism

                              whether as an organic aspect of a weak person

                              or as a purposeful astroturfed agenda

                              the results are the same, so we treat both voices the same:

                              reject them

                              mindless cynicism helps fascism

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                              • diesch@loma.mlD diesch@loma.ml
                                @georgetakei Has any U.S. administration ever prosecuted American war criminals?
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                                #47

                                @diesch @georgetakei

                                Kinda sorta,
                                The Mỹ Lai Massacre, but they found a fall guy in Calley and he claimed he was “only following orders” he was found guilty but did not have to serve the life sentence.
                                There’s a whole lot to the story if you’re interested in looking any further. It’s a very ugly story,
                                So if you’re not in a place where you want to read about horrible atrocities committed by our troops, don’t look.

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