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  3. A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations.

A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations.

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  • iamlayer8@mastodon.socialI iamlayer8@mastodon.social

    @tante
    They could flag it as comedy or satire

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    #12

    @iamlayer8 @tante "Google AI Overview is for Entertainment Purposes Only" just like ... was it copilot that had this in the terms of use or whatever?

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    • timotimo@peoplemaking.gamesT timotimo@peoplemaking.games

      @iamlayer8 @tante "Google AI Overview is for Entertainment Purposes Only" just like ... was it copilot that had this in the terms of use or whatever?

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      #13

      @timotimo
      It should be flagged as AI Slop - on screen, mandated by law.
      Then they can re-define what that means by delivering correct information. And in 5 years we will use #AISlop as an indicator of high quality content.

      @tante

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations. This is an important step to bring "AI" slop in line with all other products on the market: "AI" products are basically the only ones where a provider can just deliver unchecked garbage and put all the liability on the consumer. I hope to see aggressive change here.

        https://the-decoder.com/landmark-german-ruling-declares-googles-ai-overviews-are-googles-own-words-and-makes-it-liable-for-false-answers/

        david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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        #14

        @tante

        Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

        Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

        That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

        lobingera@chaos.socialL c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.ioC ozzelot@mstdn.socialO rdp@notpickard.comR mizkirsten@mastodon.socialM 20 Replies Last reply
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        • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

          @tante

          Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

          Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

          That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

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          #15

          @david_chisnall @tante

          iirc, Google said that earlier about their search results, also.

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          • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

            @tante

            Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

            Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

            That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

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            #16

            @david_chisnall @tante this is also known as the Fox “News” defense for those in the US

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            • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

              @tante

              Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

              Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

              That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

              ozzelot@mstdn.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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              #17

              @david_chisnall
              Imagine TI saying that about their calculators.
              @tante

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              • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                @tante

                Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

                Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

                That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

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                #18

                @david_chisnall @tante cigarettes?

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                • lobingera@chaos.socialL lobingera@chaos.social

                  @david_chisnall @tante

                  iirc, Google said that earlier about their search results, also.

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                  #19

                  @lobingera
                  Slightly different. "search results you see may not be the most relevant for your query" is very different to "We're providing actual information which has a reasonably likelihood of being wrong, and potentially dangerously wrong".
                  @david_chisnall @tante

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                  • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                    @tante

                    Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

                    Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

                    That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

                    mizkirsten@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #20

                    @david_chisnall @tante

                    What's the difference between an LLM and a pack of cigarettes?

                    They both fill the room with smoke that will eventually kill someone. But cigarettes come with a warning.

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                    • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                      @tante

                      Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

                      Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

                      That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

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                      #21

                      @david_chisnall @tante Remember when Intel released a chip with a built in floating point math error that happened one nine-billionth of the time?

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug

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                      • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                        @tante

                        Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

                        Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

                        That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

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                        #22

                        @david_chisnall @tante Don't forget that Copilot is for entertainment purposes only, too.

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                        • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                          @tante

                          Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

                          Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

                          That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

                          nukleos@mendeddrum.orgN This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #23

                          @david_chisnall

                          @tante

                          I know a few people who won´t like this admission from Google: "the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and users should know that" !!

                          Will OpenAI e.a. admit the same thing?

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                          • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                            @tante

                            Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

                            Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

                            That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

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                            #24

                            @david_chisnall @tante

                            Indeed no other industry or product could get away with that ... - let us just hope that this court's view is upheld through future instances

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                            • ozzelot@mstdn.socialO ozzelot@mstdn.social

                              @david_chisnall
                              Imagine TI saying that about their calculators.
                              @tante

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                              #25

                              @ozzelot
                              I remember Microsoft successfully lobbying to keep known faulty behavior like handling the year 1900 as a leap year in the OOXML standard.

                              So that idea is not that far off for me.

                              @david_chisnall @tante

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                              • mizkirsten@mastodon.socialM mizkirsten@mastodon.social

                                @david_chisnall @tante

                                What's the difference between an LLM and a pack of cigarettes?

                                They both fill the room with smoke that will eventually kill someone. But cigarettes come with a warning.

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                                #26

                                @mizkirsten
                                Finally

                                @david_chisnall @tante

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                                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                  A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations. This is an important step to bring "AI" slop in line with all other products on the market: "AI" products are basically the only ones where a provider can just deliver unchecked garbage and put all the liability on the consumer. I hope to see aggressive change here.

                                  https://the-decoder.com/landmark-german-ruling-declares-googles-ai-overviews-are-googles-own-words-and-makes-it-liable-for-false-answers/

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                                  #27

                                  @tante

                                  Excellent verdict, actions have consequences…

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                                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                    A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations. This is an important step to bring "AI" slop in line with all other products on the market: "AI" products are basically the only ones where a provider can just deliver unchecked garbage and put all the liability on the consumer. I hope to see aggressive change here.

                                    https://the-decoder.com/landmark-german-ruling-declares-googles-ai-overviews-are-googles-own-words-and-makes-it-liable-for-false-answers/

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                                    #28

                                    @tante

                                    Hallucinations aren't Google's fault, and they can't just fix them. It's a property of AI. So just don't use it for topics you don't understand. And frankly, I don't know anyone who still uses Google. Even my mom uses DuckDuckGo.

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                                    • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                                      @tante

                                      Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

                                      Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

                                      That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

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                                      #29

                                      @david_chisnall Don't most software licences, particularly FOSS ones, say that?

                                      @tante

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                                      • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                                        @tante

                                        Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:

                                        Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.

                                        That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.

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                                        #30

                                        @david_chisnall @tante I see nothing shocking in that admission. AI abilities are jagged - in some areas exceptional (radiology) and in other prone to error. Like any human.

                                        The key to judging its veracity is based on the strength of the citations it provides and what other sources are saying about the questions we ask of it.

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                                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                          A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations. This is an important step to bring "AI" slop in line with all other products on the market: "AI" products are basically the only ones where a provider can just deliver unchecked garbage and put all the liability on the consumer. I hope to see aggressive change here.

                                          https://the-decoder.com/landmark-german-ruling-declares-googles-ai-overviews-are-googles-own-words-and-makes-it-liable-for-false-answers/

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                                          #31

                                          @tante
                                          **A historical and necessary decision.** Holding companies accountable for AI "hallucinations" brings technology closer to the real world, where every product needs quality control and safety. Consumers shouldn't bear the burden of filtering out others' mistakes. Here's to responsible evolution!
                                          🦁🦁🦁

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