Self-hosting is a dreadful choice for many people, for anything that they actually care about.
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Self-hosting is a dreadful choice for many people, for anything that they actually care about.
Annoyingly, *not* self-hosting stuff is also not a panacea, and generally entails picking the least worst option (which can be challenging in itself), and then understanding what one *still* needs to do to mitigate the risks of that choice.
There is no single good choice and - sadly - do I see that changing any time soon.
I'd love to be wrong here.
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Self-hosting is a dreadful choice for many people, for anything that they actually care about.
Annoyingly, *not* self-hosting stuff is also not a panacea, and generally entails picking the least worst option (which can be challenging in itself), and then understanding what one *still* needs to do to mitigate the risks of that choice.
There is no single good choice and - sadly - do I see that changing any time soon.
I'd love to be wrong here.
What would be rather nice is a group of gig workers to assemble bespoke servers/set up software/networking and ship to you/cohosting, and hirable on-demand support.
The idea is, many of just want the sovereignty. We do not really want the hardware/software hobby.
We do not trust anyone. With reasons.
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Self-hosting is a dreadful choice for many people, for anything that they actually care about.
Annoyingly, *not* self-hosting stuff is also not a panacea, and generally entails picking the least worst option (which can be challenging in itself), and then understanding what one *still* needs to do to mitigate the risks of that choice.
There is no single good choice and - sadly - do I see that changing any time soon.
I'd love to be wrong here.
@neil I suspect the answer, lacking governments prepared to provide services themselves rather than subcontracting, is cooperatives that explicitly don't get to extract profit from the operation. But I've only rarely heard of these, and mostly they seem to shut down or get bought out.
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Self-hosting is a dreadful choice for many people, for anything that they actually care about.
Annoyingly, *not* self-hosting stuff is also not a panacea, and generally entails picking the least worst option (which can be challenging in itself), and then understanding what one *still* needs to do to mitigate the risks of that choice.
There is no single good choice and - sadly - do I see that changing any time soon.
I'd love to be wrong here.
I have crawled my way into the-best-I-can-wrest-from-this position of looking for things that are self-hostable.
Not because I want or often even can host them, or would recommend any other lay person do.
But because there's some reasonable hope that I can exercise some agency in seeking out some who will really host it on my behalf via some mutually agreeable & respectful terms.
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Self-hosting is a dreadful choice for many people, for anything that they actually care about.
Annoyingly, *not* self-hosting stuff is also not a panacea, and generally entails picking the least worst option (which can be challenging in itself), and then understanding what one *still* needs to do to mitigate the risks of that choice.
There is no single good choice and - sadly - do I see that changing any time soon.
I'd love to be wrong here.
I love the idea of coops, and groups of people supporting each others.
Does everyone have a friendly nerd? I don't know.
I am also mindful that shared or collaborative hosting - taking responsibility for hosting stuff for other people - is a considerable commitment, and a source of stress.
Plus, the regulatory framework in the UK and EU, and probably elsewhere, is not making it any simpler or easier to host stuff (for those who care about regulations).
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I love the idea of coops, and groups of people supporting each others.
Does everyone have a friendly nerd? I don't know.
I am also mindful that shared or collaborative hosting - taking responsibility for hosting stuff for other people - is a considerable commitment, and a source of stress.
Plus, the regulatory framework in the UK and EU, and probably elsewhere, is not making it any simpler or easier to host stuff (for those who care about regulations).
@neil I think we also assume that we have to focus on one thing to improve the average folks QoL when in reality a lot of this is a group effort that no one person or group can take on by themselves.
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Self-hosting is a dreadful choice for many people, for anything that they actually care about.
Annoyingly, *not* self-hosting stuff is also not a panacea, and generally entails picking the least worst option (which can be challenging in itself), and then understanding what one *still* needs to do to mitigate the risks of that choice.
There is no single good choice and - sadly - do I see that changing any time soon.
I'd love to be wrong here.
@neil As a self-hoster myself, this is not for everyone.
The same way that a car lover shouldn't say "fix the car yourself" instead of going to a car service. Yeah, I'm not going to fix it myself, even if I'm capable of.
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I love the idea of coops, and groups of people supporting each others.
Does everyone have a friendly nerd? I don't know.
I am also mindful that shared or collaborative hosting - taking responsibility for hosting stuff for other people - is a considerable commitment, and a source of stress.
Plus, the regulatory framework in the UK and EU, and probably elsewhere, is not making it any simpler or easier to host stuff (for those who care about regulations).
@neil in my region we had a few people like that taking on such jobs as side hustles from their day job at British Telecom research centre.
As soon as the layoffs came (and more and more work got bangalored), they pretty much all disappeared, leaving the community groups and folk they had set Linux laptops up for to fend for themselves, and all the community groups ended up on Meta (where they remain).
ISTR there used to be folk doing this in Reading too when I lived there, but again they all ran out of time/spoons when their secure day jobs went, and there isn't enough money in small scale hosting to provide a sustainable income (especially with clients who might run out of cash themselves and not being able to pay you)
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@djsundog Honestly, yes.
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Self-hosting is a dreadful choice for many people, for anything that they actually care about.
Annoyingly, *not* self-hosting stuff is also not a panacea, and generally entails picking the least worst option (which can be challenging in itself), and then understanding what one *still* needs to do to mitigate the risks of that choice.
There is no single good choice and - sadly - do I see that changing any time soon.
I'd love to be wrong here.
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@djsundog Honestly, yes.
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk it’d be neat if there was a network of attorneys and accountants adept at setting up low-footprint coops for small groups like this, and a network of networking nerds and sysadmin nerds for handling the tech needs of the coops, and so on throughout the various roles that most organizations end up needing representation from in the modern age.
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@neil I’m not sure I should say this but we’ve recently got access to a decommissioned server with more than 1 TB of DDR5 RAM. Comrades have joked about using it as a diskless media server, but that would raise the question of storage backups.
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@Amgine @neil I mean, the interesting part with unions is that this is true, but that’s a collective process. So a comrade on the minimal wage has given all of her savings to help another comrade to pay her rent.
(I’ve also been offering a comrade a kidney for several months now. God, I feel drunk for typing this.)
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@Amgine @neil I mean, the interesting part with unions is that this is true, but that’s a collective process. So a comrade on the minimal wage has given all of her savings to help another comrade to pay her rent.
(I’ve also been offering a comrade a kidney for several months now. God, I feel drunk for typing this.)
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Self-hosting is a dreadful choice for many people, for anything that they actually care about.
Annoyingly, *not* self-hosting stuff is also not a panacea, and generally entails picking the least worst option (which can be challenging in itself), and then understanding what one *still* needs to do to mitigate the risks of that choice.
There is no single good choice and - sadly - do I see that changing any time soon.
I'd love to be wrong here.
@neil
i like what apps like #syncthing and #briar are doing, like self-host by running an app, no faff with domain name registration or NAT config.
