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  3. If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad?

If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad?

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  • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

    If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

    Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

    djgummikuh@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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    #4

    @baldur Funny that you ask, couple of days ago someone was basically stating something along the lines of "oh I see you are inept, since you are using LLM" and some people were trying to guilt-trip him because of "ableism", since people with disabilities are dependant on LLMs for some reason. What the fuck?

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    • djgummikuh@mastodon.socialD djgummikuh@mastodon.social

      @baldur Funny that you ask, couple of days ago someone was basically stating something along the lines of "oh I see you are inept, since you are using LLM" and some people were trying to guilt-trip him because of "ableism", since people with disabilities are dependant on LLMs for some reason. What the fuck?

      baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #5

      @DJGummikuh Yeah, that’s a standard tactic of the pro-LLM crowd these days.

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      • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

        If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

        Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

        anomnomnomaly@beige.partyA This user is from outside of this forum
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        #6

        @baldur

        If I lived in a world where tech oligarchs were deliberately destroying the planet to push their technocracy on everyone... I'd take my inspiration from the French circa 1789

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        • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

          If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

          Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

          budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB This user is from outside of this forum
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          #7

          @baldur tech is still one of the few professions that allows for class mobility. I think people are seeing the future of sharing less resources with more people, and thinking "whatever, I'll get mine first"

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          • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

            If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

            Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

            netzblockierer@tech.lgbtN This user is from outside of this forum
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            #8

            @baldur Yeah, I've seen those bs excuses for the #PervGlasses / #Glassholes & #SocialMediaBans when #AccessibleArchitecture & proper #Moderation are far better at these…

            • But they ain't fancy and don't individualize responsibility, so they don't get platform'd.
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            • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

              @baldur tech is still one of the few professions that allows for class mobility. I think people are seeing the future of sharing less resources with more people, and thinking "whatever, I'll get mine first"

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              #9

              @budududuroiu Pretty much every single person I’ve seen argue this is my age or thereabouts. They’re in their forties and are already basically financially secure

              The people who actually are in financial need usually just say that they need to pay the bills and don’t see another way at the moment, which I actually respect. People gotta eat

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              • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                @budududuroiu Pretty much every single person I’ve seen argue this is my age or thereabouts. They’re in their forties and are already basically financially secure

                The people who actually are in financial need usually just say that they need to pay the bills and don’t see another way at the moment, which I actually respect. People gotta eat

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                #10

                @baldur that being said, I think tech is becoming like finance, quite rent seeking

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                • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                  If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                  Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

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                  #11

                  @baldur No, I'd vomit everywhere.

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                  • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                    If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                    Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

                    alda@topspicy.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #12

                    @baldur I have bad news for you about nicotine.

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                    • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                      If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                      Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

                      cultdev@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #13

                      @baldur i like that but it’s more like the nazis saying your extermination will actually somehow be good for you

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                      • anomnomnomaly@beige.partyA anomnomnomaly@beige.party

                        @baldur

                        If I lived in a world where tech oligarchs were deliberately destroying the planet to push their technocracy on everyone... I'd take my inspiration from the French circa 1789

                        nicolaottomano@mastodon.unoN This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #14

                        @Anomnomnomaly
                        Time to service, oil and polish guillotines then...
                        @baldur

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                        • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                          If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                          Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

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                          #15

                          @baldur Indeed. https://beige.party/@Vorsos/116126441762557883

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                          • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                            If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                            Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

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                            #16

                            @baldur Nervous people have better other things to use instead of smoking .. lived with a mother who smoked way too much and it killed her when she reached pension age and a sister younger than myself both from cancer her body was full of it mother's started in lung then to brain with 14 tumors
                            Both only lived a few months ...

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                            • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                              If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                              Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

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                              #17

                              @baldur

                              Unbelievable indeed…

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                              • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                @DJGummikuh Yeah, that’s a standard tactic of the pro-LLM crowd these days.

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                                #18

                                @baldur @DJGummikuh

                                The whole "I'm calling you a hypocrite because every other objection I want to make shows how horrible my morals objectively are." debate tactic has been leaking out of SA/chan/stormfront boards for a while now.

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                                • cultdev@mastodon.socialC cultdev@mastodon.social

                                  @baldur i like that but it’s more like the nazis saying your extermination will actually somehow be good for you

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                                  #19

                                  @cultdev @baldur you mean like Arbeit Macht Frei? or more like get into this rail car for a ride to fresh air and warm vineyard sun picking grapes? The Nazi invasion and violent occupation of Hungary, with promises of a better life than could be had from liberation, killed nearly 500K in just a couple months.

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                                  • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

                                    @baldur that being said, I think tech is becoming like finance, quite rent seeking

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                                    #20

                                    @budududuroiu @baldur

                                    Rent seeking as we know doesn’t provide any real value to the economy. Right?

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                                    • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                      If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                                      Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

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                                      #21

                                      @baldur Elijah Wood's cameo in I'm a Virgo: https://youtu.be/3uGHXMjImcc

                                      "The death penalty is a horrific thing and I want to do something about it. It'll be a while until it's abolished all over. So, I'm studying to be an executioner. If I can, as an executioner, change things up a little bit, making their deaths a little less painful..."

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                                      • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                        If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                                        Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

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                                        #22

                                        @baldur
                                        Um, that's why Vaping was invented, all the nicotine, no tar, no particulates. Less bad (but not really; inhaled ethylene glycol and crushed lithium batteries on every sidewalk aren't good).

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                                        • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                          If you lived in a world where smoking was returning in full force—through unethical, manipulative, and probably illegal tactics tobacco use was returning to 1960s levels—would you work within the tobacco industry to make it less bad? "Nicotine is an excellent ADHD drug so it can help accessibility!"

                                          Because this is exactly what people in the tech industry are starting to sound like.

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                                          #23

                                          @baldur It seems more like a world where concern about computer tech adoption is back to 1960's levels again.

                                          I don't think you need the smoking analogy, it's just computers.

                                          The computers are the danger and the addiction is often worse than smoking.

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