"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
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@dzwiedziu @benroyce @Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks
Clowns can't distinguish between "suppressing their own voters"
and
STRATEGY.I assure you, people who liked the idea of Bernie also liked the idea of Fetterman
(and I say this as someone who did vote for Bernie in the primary. But nah, HE couldn't get it done because HE IS BAD AT POLITICS)
"being visibly popular" is only half the job. Maybe less.
@jrm4 I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but he kind of was, no? He knew how to get primary votes in certain parts of the country, but not the South.
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@dzwiedziu @Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks
i reject that topic
the #democrat establishment is a red herring
anyone not acting, on the basis of spineless #democrats, is a moron
#Mamdani showed us:
you show up in the #primaries, reject #Cuomo
then show up in the general #election, reject Cuomo again
get the real left in power
all the while dem central is hostile to Mamdani
that should excite people!
if instead people whine about the establishment and don't #vote, they are weak losers
@benroyce If you primary out enough of the Bluedog “moderates” and conservative Dems, eventually they ain’t the establishment. They can go try to make the GOP less of an open sewer if they want…
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the problem is always there
defeating fascism is not "yay we won!" then it is all over forever. that is what is naive
it requires people to constantly vote and constantly show up
and so that is naive on my part:
that so many people "on the left" have the constitution and resolve to just fucking vote, something easy to do- relatively speaking compared to other forms of struggle
and that is the failure:
loser assholes who don't vote
they let us all down
Voting tactically on a lesser evil is better than not voting at all. But
Overton's window shifting is a real thing. And last election's bad option may be the lesser evil of the next.
Average electoral district for the Representatives is around .76 million people. Successful campaign inherently requires a lot of money, connections and favours. This favours corporate candidates over progressives and coincidentally older candidates.
Last but not least i don't think US can vote itself out of the current kerfuffle.
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Voting tactically on a lesser evil is better than not voting at all. But
Overton's window shifting is a real thing. And last election's bad option may be the lesser evil of the next.
Average electoral district for the Representatives is around .76 million people. Successful campaign inherently requires a lot of money, connections and favours. This favours corporate candidates over progressives and coincidentally older candidates.
Last but not least i don't think US can vote itself out of the current kerfuffle.
i don't give a fuck
all there is the good fight in this world
then you can build on it IF YOU SHOW THE WILL TO FIGHT
if you spend your fucking time making arguments for how the fight is pointless, you might as well walk up to a fascist and ask them to put you in the concentration camp now
is that really what you want?
no?
so FIGHT, fucker
NO to fucking stupid weak bullshit rationalizing defeat!
FIGHT
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the problem is always there
defeating fascism is not "yay we won!" then it is all over forever. that is what is naive
it requires people to constantly vote and constantly show up
and so that is naive on my part:
that so many people "on the left" have the constitution and resolve to just fucking vote, something easy to do- relatively speaking compared to other forms of struggle
and that is the failure:
loser assholes who don't vote
they let us all down
@benroyce @klegdixal @moz @idahobucks Defeating facism isn't *just* voting out fascists. But it *includes* voting out fascists.
Vote.
Talk to people.
Stand up to your racist uncles. Not because you'll change their mind, but so that bystanders see that someone is challenging them.
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@dzwiedziu @Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks
i reject that topic
the #democrat establishment is a red herring
anyone not acting, on the basis of spineless #democrats, is a moron
#Mamdani showed us:
you show up in the #primaries, reject #Cuomo
then show up in the general #election, reject Cuomo again
get the real left in power
all the while dem central is hostile to Mamdani
that should excite people!
if instead people whine about the establishment and don't #vote, they are weak losers
@benroyce @dzwiedziu @Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks
I had this in my feed this morning, relevant part at 1:46
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lHvfsbg0A10
TLDW: non-voting citizens is a way bigger problem than non-citizens voting. It's telling which of these "issues" MAGA (and Maple Maga) gets worked up about.
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I don't understand what the point is
We should all vote, right?
PS: is this the guy who got an egg to the face from a teenager?
@benroyce @moz @idahobucks
I vote on everything that is important enough for me to study and understand. That certainly includes presidential primaries and elections. I often don't know enough about local non-partisan candidates (e.g. county coroner) to have an opinion, so I leave those blank rather than tossing a coin. I guess if my county winds up with an awful coroner, it's my fault. -
@benroyce @moz @idahobucks
I vote on everything that is important enough for me to study and understand. That certainly includes presidential primaries and elections. I often don't know enough about local non-partisan candidates (e.g. county coroner) to have an opinion, so I leave those blank rather than tossing a coin. I guess if my county winds up with an awful coroner, it's my fault.sure but the #primaries coming up this year can get us real left candidates who can freeze #trump's agenda if we also show up in november in the general #election
so try to focus on that, this year at least
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S suneauken@mastodon.world shared this topic
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sure but the #primaries coming up this year can get us real left candidates who can freeze #trump's agenda if we also show up in november in the general #election
so try to focus on that, this year at least
@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Also, the chances of even very center-right dem candidates being anywhere near as awful as the MAGA are really slim. There may be a Tulsi Gabbard hiding somewhere we don't know about, but beyond that, not saying or doing Nazi s... is a fair recommendation compared to the alternative.*
* I say this as a European left-winger, meaning that even American left-wingers look quite right-wing to me.
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@benroyce @moz @idahobucks
I vote on everything that is important enough for me to study and understand. That certainly includes presidential primaries and elections. I often don't know enough about local non-partisan candidates (e.g. county coroner) to have an opinion, so I leave those blank rather than tossing a coin. I guess if my county winds up with an awful coroner, it's my fault.> I guess if my county winds up with an awful coroner, it's my fault.
Well, for the incumbent, there is always the "study" of "How did they do the job?" I mean if their are credible complaints you can vote for someone new. Even that simple technique will 'evolve' better government as long as you vote.
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sure but the #primaries coming up this year can get us real left candidates who can freeze #trump's agenda if we also show up in november in the general #election
so try to focus on that, this year at least
@benroyce @moz @idahobucks
I always do. US Senate and House seats are just as important. -
> I guess if my county winds up with an awful coroner, it's my fault.
Well, for the incumbent, there is always the "study" of "How did they do the job?" I mean if their are credible complaints you can vote for someone new. Even that simple technique will 'evolve' better government as long as you vote.
@ChuckMcManis @benroyce
I read the booklet, and even searched the web for information about the candidates for coroner, but there was no substantive information. The candidates' statements didn't convince me that either was better. In that case, I'd just as soon let the people who do care about that office decide it.
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@ChuckMcManis @benroyce
I read the booklet, and even searched the web for information about the candidates for coroner, but there was no substantive information. The candidates' statements didn't convince me that either was better. In that case, I'd just as soon let the people who do care about that office decide it.
That's a _much_ different situation than with Federal offices or even state governor and legislature.Fair enough
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@benroyce @moz @idahobucks
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@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Also, the chances of even very center-right dem candidates being anywhere near as awful as the MAGA are really slim. There may be a Tulsi Gabbard hiding somewhere we don't know about, but beyond that, not saying or doing Nazi s... is a fair recommendation compared to the alternative.*
* I say this as a European left-winger, meaning that even American left-wingers look quite right-wing to me.
@SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
I agree with you
You're speaking of long term tactics, good strategy, a rational approach
I would prefer a real left candidate but barring that: hold the line, iterate, get real improvement the next round of voting
This is the only way to achieve anything
The lesser of two evils is still less evil
Of course for saying this we now fall afoul of the seething howling toxic idealists
Like those assholes ever achieve anything in life except whining
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@SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
I agree with you
You're speaking of long term tactics, good strategy, a rational approach
I would prefer a real left candidate but barring that: hold the line, iterate, get real improvement the next round of voting
This is the only way to achieve anything
The lesser of two evils is still less evil
Of course for saying this we now fall afoul of the seething howling toxic idealists
Like those assholes ever achieve anything in life except whining
@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
True and in this case the choice between "The lesser of two evils" is likely to be the choice between somebody at worst not that good and someone for whom "disgustingly evil" is an actually valid description - and, if anything, an understatement.
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@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
True and in this case the choice between "The lesser of two evils" is likely to be the choice between somebody at worst not that good and someone for whom "disgustingly evil" is an actually valid description - and, if anything, an understatement.
@SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Write it, post it, send it: a rational approach to voting
Receive in reply: voices whining they don't get perfect, have zero plans, make zero effort, then help fascism by not voting. Fucking losers. They howl about shitlibs and blue MAGA when in fact the only result of their ineffectual purity drama is to help MAGA if they don't vote
Real life isn't a game of social media scorn, useless whiners
Think. Act. Fight. #VOTE!
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@SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Write it, post it, send it: a rational approach to voting
Receive in reply: voices whining they don't get perfect, have zero plans, make zero effort, then help fascism by not voting. Fucking losers. They howl about shitlibs and blue MAGA when in fact the only result of their ineffectual purity drama is to help MAGA if they don't vote
Real life isn't a game of social media scorn, useless whiners
Think. Act. Fight. #VOTE!
@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
And you literally can't tell who is the toxic supposed left winger and who is the MAGA sock puppet.
Personally, I take them all to be sock puppets and just block.
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@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
True and in this case the choice between "The lesser of two evils" is likely to be the choice between somebody at worst not that good and someone for whom "disgustingly evil" is an actually valid description - and, if anything, an understatement.
@SuneAuken @benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks If we're not careful, especially with the primary, we could validate some of the awful though.
The Overton Window has shifted now to make Newsom mainstream with his anti-trans and anti-homeless (anti-Labor in the big picture) policies.
If he's the nominee then he's the nominee, but real harm is going to result from it.
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@SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Write it, post it, send it: a rational approach to voting
Receive in reply: voices whining they don't get perfect, have zero plans, make zero effort, then help fascism by not voting. Fucking losers. They howl about shitlibs and blue MAGA when in fact the only result of their ineffectual purity drama is to help MAGA if they don't vote
Real life isn't a game of social media scorn, useless whiners
Think. Act. Fight. #VOTE!
@benroyce @SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Such a shame that you have to cry out like an Old Testament prophet to an indifferent, apathetic public, Ben. The palpable truth and wisdom of your jeremiad really shouldn't need such repetition, but sadly it does.
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