"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
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@dzwiedziu @Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks
i reject that topic
the #democrat establishment is a red herring
anyone not acting, on the basis of spineless #democrats, is a moron
#Mamdani showed us:
you show up in the #primaries, reject #Cuomo
then show up in the general #election, reject Cuomo again
get the real left in power
all the while dem central is hostile to Mamdani
that should excite people!
if instead people whine about the establishment and don't #vote, they are weak losers
@benroyce @dzwiedziu @Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks
I had this in my feed this morning, relevant part at 1:46
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lHvfsbg0A10
TLDW: non-voting citizens is a way bigger problem than non-citizens voting. It's telling which of these "issues" MAGA (and Maple Maga) gets worked up about.
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I don't understand what the point is
We should all vote, right?
PS: is this the guy who got an egg to the face from a teenager?
@benroyce @moz @idahobucks
I vote on everything that is important enough for me to study and understand. That certainly includes presidential primaries and elections. I often don't know enough about local non-partisan candidates (e.g. county coroner) to have an opinion, so I leave those blank rather than tossing a coin. I guess if my county winds up with an awful coroner, it's my fault. -
@benroyce @moz @idahobucks
I vote on everything that is important enough for me to study and understand. That certainly includes presidential primaries and elections. I often don't know enough about local non-partisan candidates (e.g. county coroner) to have an opinion, so I leave those blank rather than tossing a coin. I guess if my county winds up with an awful coroner, it's my fault.sure but the #primaries coming up this year can get us real left candidates who can freeze #trump's agenda if we also show up in november in the general #election
so try to focus on that, this year at least
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sure but the #primaries coming up this year can get us real left candidates who can freeze #trump's agenda if we also show up in november in the general #election
so try to focus on that, this year at least
@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Also, the chances of even very center-right dem candidates being anywhere near as awful as the MAGA are really slim. There may be a Tulsi Gabbard hiding somewhere we don't know about, but beyond that, not saying or doing Nazi s... is a fair recommendation compared to the alternative.*
* I say this as a European left-winger, meaning that even American left-wingers look quite right-wing to me.
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@benroyce @moz @idahobucks
I vote on everything that is important enough for me to study and understand. That certainly includes presidential primaries and elections. I often don't know enough about local non-partisan candidates (e.g. county coroner) to have an opinion, so I leave those blank rather than tossing a coin. I guess if my county winds up with an awful coroner, it's my fault.> I guess if my county winds up with an awful coroner, it's my fault.
Well, for the incumbent, there is always the "study" of "How did they do the job?" I mean if their are credible complaints you can vote for someone new. Even that simple technique will 'evolve' better government as long as you vote.
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sure but the #primaries coming up this year can get us real left candidates who can freeze #trump's agenda if we also show up in november in the general #election
so try to focus on that, this year at least
@benroyce @moz @idahobucks
I always do. US Senate and House seats are just as important. -
> I guess if my county winds up with an awful coroner, it's my fault.
Well, for the incumbent, there is always the "study" of "How did they do the job?" I mean if their are credible complaints you can vote for someone new. Even that simple technique will 'evolve' better government as long as you vote.
@ChuckMcManis @benroyce
I read the booklet, and even searched the web for information about the candidates for coroner, but there was no substantive information. The candidates' statements didn't convince me that either was better. In that case, I'd just as soon let the people who do care about that office decide it.
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@ChuckMcManis @benroyce
I read the booklet, and even searched the web for information about the candidates for coroner, but there was no substantive information. The candidates' statements didn't convince me that either was better. In that case, I'd just as soon let the people who do care about that office decide it.
That's a _much_ different situation than with Federal offices or even state governor and legislature.Fair enough
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@benroyce @moz @idahobucks
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@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Also, the chances of even very center-right dem candidates being anywhere near as awful as the MAGA are really slim. There may be a Tulsi Gabbard hiding somewhere we don't know about, but beyond that, not saying or doing Nazi s... is a fair recommendation compared to the alternative.*
* I say this as a European left-winger, meaning that even American left-wingers look quite right-wing to me.
@SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
I agree with you
You're speaking of long term tactics, good strategy, a rational approach
I would prefer a real left candidate but barring that: hold the line, iterate, get real improvement the next round of voting
This is the only way to achieve anything
The lesser of two evils is still less evil
Of course for saying this we now fall afoul of the seething howling toxic idealists
Like those assholes ever achieve anything in life except whining
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@SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
I agree with you
You're speaking of long term tactics, good strategy, a rational approach
I would prefer a real left candidate but barring that: hold the line, iterate, get real improvement the next round of voting
This is the only way to achieve anything
The lesser of two evils is still less evil
Of course for saying this we now fall afoul of the seething howling toxic idealists
Like those assholes ever achieve anything in life except whining
@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
True and in this case the choice between "The lesser of two evils" is likely to be the choice between somebody at worst not that good and someone for whom "disgustingly evil" is an actually valid description - and, if anything, an understatement.
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@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
True and in this case the choice between "The lesser of two evils" is likely to be the choice between somebody at worst not that good and someone for whom "disgustingly evil" is an actually valid description - and, if anything, an understatement.
@SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Write it, post it, send it: a rational approach to voting
Receive in reply: voices whining they don't get perfect, have zero plans, make zero effort, then help fascism by not voting. Fucking losers. They howl about shitlibs and blue MAGA when in fact the only result of their ineffectual purity drama is to help MAGA if they don't vote
Real life isn't a game of social media scorn, useless whiners
Think. Act. Fight. #VOTE!
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@SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Write it, post it, send it: a rational approach to voting
Receive in reply: voices whining they don't get perfect, have zero plans, make zero effort, then help fascism by not voting. Fucking losers. They howl about shitlibs and blue MAGA when in fact the only result of their ineffectual purity drama is to help MAGA if they don't vote
Real life isn't a game of social media scorn, useless whiners
Think. Act. Fight. #VOTE!
@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
And you literally can't tell who is the toxic supposed left winger and who is the MAGA sock puppet.
Personally, I take them all to be sock puppets and just block.
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@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
True and in this case the choice between "The lesser of two evils" is likely to be the choice between somebody at worst not that good and someone for whom "disgustingly evil" is an actually valid description - and, if anything, an understatement.
@SuneAuken @benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks If we're not careful, especially with the primary, we could validate some of the awful though.
The Overton Window has shifted now to make Newsom mainstream with his anti-trans and anti-homeless (anti-Labor in the big picture) policies.
If he's the nominee then he's the nominee, but real harm is going to result from it.
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@SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Write it, post it, send it: a rational approach to voting
Receive in reply: voices whining they don't get perfect, have zero plans, make zero effort, then help fascism by not voting. Fucking losers. They howl about shitlibs and blue MAGA when in fact the only result of their ineffectual purity drama is to help MAGA if they don't vote
Real life isn't a game of social media scorn, useless whiners
Think. Act. Fight. #VOTE!
@benroyce @SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Such a shame that you have to cry out like an Old Testament prophet to an indifferent, apathetic public, Ben. The palpable truth and wisdom of your jeremiad really shouldn't need such repetition, but sadly it does.
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@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
And you literally can't tell who is the toxic supposed left winger and who is the MAGA sock puppet.
Personally, I take them all to be sock puppets and just block.
@SuneAuken Heuristic : Block toxicity
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@SuneAuken @benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks If we're not careful, especially with the primary, we could validate some of the awful though.
The Overton Window has shifted now to make Newsom mainstream with his anti-trans and anti-homeless (anti-Labor in the big picture) policies.
If he's the nominee then he's the nominee, but real harm is going to result from it.
@gooba42
The difference between Newsom and any Republican is: Newsom is an opportunist, and the Rs are a bunch of white Christofascists with no mental flexibility. Newsom can be swayed by the public, whereas the Rs actively disdain anyone not one of them.Mind you, I am not fond of him, but compared to the deep MAGAts, he is slightly better.
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@gooba42
The difference between Newsom and any Republican is: Newsom is an opportunist, and the Rs are a bunch of white Christofascists with no mental flexibility. Newsom can be swayed by the public, whereas the Rs actively disdain anyone not one of them.Mind you, I am not fond of him, but compared to the deep MAGAts, he is slightly better.
@c_merriweather @SuneAuken @benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks No doubt, I'll hold my nose and vote for him if necessary but I really wish the bar were higher.
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@benroyce you are missing the big picture. There is no real push back at all right now. We the people seem to think the Dems will save us which is not the case. We are in the five alarm stage now and people keep talking about voting and laws. The president doesn't worry about laws as he does what he wants like making himself billions of dollars. I have no idea what to do and don't see any real push back. Minnesota pushed back for a while and it's over even though ICE is in the suburbs right now.
Sorry Ben yelled at you: I followed you.
You are both right, just about different thingsThe Dems right now are just non-active seat warmers. I don't see that changing, but they will fix the current, but broken, systems.
It's just fixing the ACA is barely a band aid, and Not going to war as a diversionary tactic the barest of minimums.
The primaries are our chance to elect actually socially conscious persons (Mamdani s) to Dem seats. Then the future has a chance.
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@Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks
nonvoters are as bad as MAGA
they don't fall for the same psyop, they fall for a different psyop than the one played on MAGA, but coming from the same agenda
that agenda is: goose the right vote, suppress the left vote
so for MAGA they give excitement, encouragement, support
for the left they give helplessness, scorn, defeatism
and it fucking works
*because* so many on the left don't have a fucking backbone
@benroyce @Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks The reason psyops work for both groups: Bigotry & hate.
