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  • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

    thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out

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    #7

    @SnoopJ how do we know this wouldn't happen, though?

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    • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

      thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out

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      #8

      @SnoopJ

      What I particularly love about this is that it completely works as a metaphor as well:

      The true solution when you face a "trolley problem" in real life is to study more detail to find additional options. Because no real world situation is ever this binary.

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      • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

        thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out

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        #9

        @SnoopJ the best answer is the one where you make it go on both to kill everyone #troll

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        • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

          thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out

          scottmichaud@mastodon.gamedev.placeS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #10

          @SnoopJ "There is one person on board the trolly" the question giver says, grinning ear-to-ear.

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          • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

            thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out

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            #11

            @SnoopJ

            I love this. Lateral thinking, in this case by very practically minded people who understand the real world mechanics, allows for the rejection of a problem set up by someone who has some hidden agenda.

            If presented with two bad choices, pick the third.

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            • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

              thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out

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              #12

              @SnoopJ And we know it works, too, because this is how old-timey train robbers got it done in the steam era

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              • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out

                searingtruth@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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                #13

                @SnoopJ

                "Which came first?

                Working people or rich masters?"
                SearingTruth

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                • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #14

                  @crouton their union card says "don't panic" on the back, I bet

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                  • scottmichaud@mastodon.gamedev.placeS scottmichaud@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    @SnoopJ "There is one person on board the trolly" the question giver says, grinning ear-to-ear.

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                    #15

                    @scottmichaud they might get a bruise, but I'll take it!

                    Relatedly, in looking this image up again, I saw someone frame the trolley problem as "you are ON a trolley..." which is an impressive level of misunderstanding of both the problem and how switches work

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                    • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                      @scottmichaud they might get a bruise, but I'll take it!

                      Relatedly, in looking this image up again, I saw someone frame the trolley problem as "you are ON a trolley..." which is an impressive level of misunderstanding of both the problem and how switches work

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                      #16

                      @SnoopJ Or they played Star Fox 64.

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                      • scottmichaud@mastodon.gamedev.placeS scottmichaud@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @SnoopJ Or they played Star Fox 64.

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                        #17

                        @scottmichaud a level well loved by score runners for its many shootable objects!

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                        • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                          @scottmichaud a level well loved by score runners for its many shootable objects!

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                          #18

                          @SnoopJ Oh hey it turns 29 in a couple months. Neat.

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                          • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                            like, one might be tempted to say "noooo it's a constructed hypothetical that only admits these two options"

                            but there's something really lovely about a union coming in and being like "ah, no, a different world is possible"

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                            #19

                            @SnoopJ This is why I don’t like hypotheticals. I have too many questions and constantly look to other solutions.

                            And people reply “IT’S HYPOTHETICAL” like it’s some law of god.

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                            • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                              thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out

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                              #20

                              @SnoopJ

                              Isn't that the same thing all of the "drift the trolley across both tracks to hit everyone" are suggesting?

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                              • agowa338@chaos.socialA agowa338@chaos.social

                                @SnoopJ

                                Isn't that the same thing all of the "drift the trolley across both tracks to hit everyone" are suggesting?

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                                #21

                                @agowa338 only in a world where manga physics apply

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                                • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                                  @agowa338 only in a world where manga physics apply

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                                  #22

                                  @SnoopJ

                                  On the other hand, they're bound to the tracks so close to the switching point that derailing it right there could also cause it to tip over and land on all of them...

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                                  • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                                    thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out

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                                    #23

                                    @SnoopJ yay!

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                                    • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                                      thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out

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                                      #24

                                      @SnoopJ but will you direct it to the left or to the right, on the chance that slip the switch failed.

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                                      • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                                        thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out

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                                        #25

                                        @SnoopJ Or it sends it into a tumble and you manage to kill everyone...including yourself as your attempt causes a massive force feedback that slams the switch against you, cutting you in half with pressure force.

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                                        • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                                          thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out

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                                          #26

                                          @SnoopJ Well duh.

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