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"On the acceptance of GenAI"https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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  • epic_null@infosec.exchangeE epic_null@infosec.exchange

    @crankylinuxuser @tante

    Its at best a copyright violation

    This may be true for published and public data... but that's not the only data that goes into these things. Any data that comes from breaches, users private cameras, and anything else stored with an expectation of privacy is much worse than a copyright violation.

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    #33

    @Epic_Null @crankylinuxuser @tante

    Data wants to be free. This argument simply doesn't work for those of us that have always been open data, anti copyright.

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    • qgustavor@urusai.socialQ qgustavor@urusai.social

      @tante @crankylinuxuser I guess some people have zero idea of how AI model training works. They have the impression that "if I run this HuggingFace model in my hardware, it's ethical" but kinda think those models got uploaded there out of thin air, without any implications.

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      #34

      @tante @crankylinuxuser Example: I use Whisper for audio transcription (mostly for accessibility issues, it's harder for me to understand audio messages than text messages), so I know using it, even self-hosted, tick most boxes.

      I'm sure it was trained on stolen data (as it constantly returns things like "subtitles by example.com"), I'm sure training it hurt the environment, I'm sure the company behind it (OpenAI) does not have a viable business model (but, to be fair, I don't care about that, governments also don't have a viable business model, they don't have to).

      But, since I'm using it for accessibility and there is no alternatives, we need to consider the trade offs and promote research that reduces those issues ethically. Saying "bUt I Am RuNNinG iT LoCAllY so ITs eThICAl" is dumb.

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        "On the acceptance of GenAI"
        https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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        #35

        @tante - of the many ills of generative ai the thing I find most despicable is that it poorer. Yes it makes me poor financially and materially of course, but it makes me poor mentally and spiritually. It robs of your sense of time too, in that you think you don’t have “enough” time to do something so you make the AI do it, robbing yourself a opportunity for to learn something (even if it’s super minute)

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        • qgustavor@urusai.socialQ qgustavor@urusai.social

          @tante @crankylinuxuser Example: I use Whisper for audio transcription (mostly for accessibility issues, it's harder for me to understand audio messages than text messages), so I know using it, even self-hosted, tick most boxes.

          I'm sure it was trained on stolen data (as it constantly returns things like "subtitles by example.com"), I'm sure training it hurt the environment, I'm sure the company behind it (OpenAI) does not have a viable business model (but, to be fair, I don't care about that, governments also don't have a viable business model, they don't have to).

          But, since I'm using it for accessibility and there is no alternatives, we need to consider the trade offs and promote research that reduces those issues ethically. Saying "bUt I Am RuNNinG iT LoCAllY so ITs eThICAl" is dumb.

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          #36

          @tante @crankylinuxuser So, my objetive here: sure, current AI is truly unethical and sadly we have lots of people that want to be blind about its issues, but, not all from it is bad.

          I can't just say to a illiterate person "can you write for me instead of speaking?" because they just can't do that. I talk with lots of illiterate people, I'm in the construction business, lots of workers only know numbers and how to write their own name. So, Whisper, despite not being ethical, is what I use.

          But, are there ethical alternatives? At the moment, I didn't find anything as reliable as Whisper, but there's the Common Voice dataset, which is free, which could be used to solve the issue of being trained on stolen data (but not the environmental issues).

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            "On the acceptance of GenAI"
            https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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            #37

            @tante

            Oooo...you forgot the biggest one....

            *I accept that i am helping to train a replacement for my mind.

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            • komali_2@mastodon.socialK komali_2@mastodon.social

              @Epic_Null @crankylinuxuser @tante

              Data wants to be free. This argument simply doesn't work for those of us that have always been open data, anti copyright.

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              #38

              @komali_2 @crankylinuxuser @tante Every message between you and your doctor or you and your loved ones is data.

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                "On the acceptance of GenAI"
                https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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                #39

                @tante (genai is a shitstain on the word but so is the concept of “stolen data”. i never bring that up as one of the problems, because copying is not theft)

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                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                  "On the acceptance of GenAI"
                  https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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                  #40
                  @tante 🇺🇸 MORE POWER TO THE UNITED STATES 🇺🇸
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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    "On the acceptance of GenAI"
                    https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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                    #41

                    @tante entirely too vague; you'd be better off explaining what "big tech's vision for the world" is, and how they aid ICE and the IDF, and the U.S. military, and their tech is involved in every recent atrocity, like killing thousands of Iranians, and the ongoing genocide in Palestine...these bullet points sugar coat reality too much

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                    • buckfiftyseven@mastodon.socialB buckfiftyseven@mastodon.social

                      @ai6yr @tante it seems pretty similar doesn't it? Taking what you want from a website, regardless of the host's intentions?

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                      #42

                      @buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante no. copyright law is bullshit. the problem is power. like in every situation. poor people stealing from the rich: cool. rich people stealing from the poor: fucked.

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                      • mrbase@phpc.socialM mrbase@phpc.social

                        @buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante I think most running an adblocker is doing so to block data brokers, not the ad itself. Privacy is as much part of the equation here as the actual ad.

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                        #43

                        @mrbase @buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante and considering organizations like ICE are using ads to install spyware on people's phones now, adblockers are absolutely necessary for everyone. i am actually mad at anyone who's not using an adblocker.

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          "On the acceptance of GenAI"
                          https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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                          #44

                          @tante I'd probably add ones for - "I accept GenAI may scramble my mind and induce psychosis"
                          - "I accept that I am accepting the misinformation and disinformation produced by these tools"
                          - "I accept that I am contributing to this production"

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            "On the acceptance of GenAI"
                            https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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                            #45

                            @tante this implies that there are only US American AI companies. There are also EU AI companies which are arguably better.

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                            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                              "On the acceptance of GenAI"
                              https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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                              #46

                              @tante good god the replies. A lot of people holding their hands tightly over their eyes.

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                              • synthyx@social.vivaldi.netS synthyx@social.vivaldi.net

                                @tante

                                AI in the modern age is not going away. You shouldn't be shamed for using it, and at this point you should expect it.

                                Even when the bubble goes pop we are still going to have AI in some form. AI is a useful tool for many people, and it's great when you self host it.

                                Also, most things AI "steals" isn't really stealing if it's free and public on the internet.

                                Only thing I really can agree with is environment impacts. At this point though we muck up the environment so much with plastics, overusage of gas, mass deforestation, etc that I don't know how big of an impact that really has. Ideally we would use green forms of energy for everything, and new tech innovation would reduce the absurd amounts of power required to run these supercomputers. Hopefully the ARM architecture is that light in the dark.

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                                #47

                                @Synthyx@vivaldi.net @tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                Also, most things AI “steals” isn’t really stealing if it’s free and public on the internet.

                                That’s not even remotely how copyright works

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                                • smilingdemon@mastodon.artS smilingdemon@mastodon.art

                                  @tante good god the replies. A lot of people holding their hands tightly over their eyes.

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                                  #48

                                  @smilingdemon yeah. I mean sure, you can ignore a lot of facts to keep doing what you are already doing but don't try to claim your being ethical or anything.

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                                  • orange_lux@eldritch.cafeO orange_lux@eldritch.cafe

                                    @crazyeddie @tante GenAI as in Generative AI, not Artificial General Intelligence (AGI).

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                                    #49

                                    @orange_lux both are arbitrary marketing terms

                                    @crazyeddie @tante

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                                    • 3fingers@blorbo.social3 3fingers@blorbo.social

                                      @buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante no. copyright law is bullshit. the problem is power. like in every situation. poor people stealing from the rich: cool. rich people stealing from the poor: fucked.

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                                      #50

                                      @3Fingers @ai6yr @tante I definitely got that vibe already, that many on Mastodon, and to a lesser extent Bluesky, approach AI as a class issue.

                                      Seems strange, both because it's what AI has been building towards for the last 70 years. No surprises here that the first command would be "ok, read everything."

                                      But also because Moore's law applies. All of this will be local and distributed over time.

                                      We're actually quite lucky that there are no binding patents or copyrights on AI.

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                                      • buckfiftyseven@mastodon.socialB buckfiftyseven@mastodon.social

                                        @3Fingers @ai6yr @tante I definitely got that vibe already, that many on Mastodon, and to a lesser extent Bluesky, approach AI as a class issue.

                                        Seems strange, both because it's what AI has been building towards for the last 70 years. No surprises here that the first command would be "ok, read everything."

                                        But also because Moore's law applies. All of this will be local and distributed over time.

                                        We're actually quite lucky that there are no binding patents or copyrights on AI.

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                                        #51

                                        @buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante all technology benefits the rich over the poor. that's just an unavoidable universal fact. AI is currently destroying the world by empowering the U.S. military and various billionaire fascists who are oppressing all of us.

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                                        • jrconlin@mindof.jrconlin.comJ jrconlin@mindof.jrconlin.com

                                          @ai6yr @tante

                                          Honestly it was the "voluntary downsize" comment that got me.

                                          Nobody wants to follow my hot takes and brilliant insights? Clearly, then, Mastodon must be what's pushing them away.

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                                          #52

                                          @jrconlin @ai6yr @tante fwiw

                                          https://mas.to/@carnage4life/116351978261689682

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