The fallout from "No, not Hank Green using that AI" is at the stage where people are debating if "canceling" people is bad.
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The fallout from "No, not Hank Green using that AI" is at the stage where people are debating if "canceling" people is bad.
This because about 10k people unsubscribed from his youTube channel, something that probably caused him to take stock and leave the internet for a bit.
Unsubscribing from a youTube channel isn't "canceling" someone. Can we all calm down please?
Also, that he used AI isn't really the big issue, it has just formed a concise talking point around something bigger.
I've only really seen Pivot to AI pick up on this, but Hank Green has some tangental involvement with "Effective Alturists." One big aspect of Effective altruism (EA) is AI doomerism. AI is a world changing technology (they believe) and we need to take it seriously in *that* way or ... terrible things may happen.
That doomerism is also a different kind of effective marketing for AI concerns me deeply.
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I've only really seen Pivot to AI pick up on this, but Hank Green has some tangental involvement with "Effective Alturists." One big aspect of Effective altruism (EA) is AI doomerism. AI is a world changing technology (they believe) and we need to take it seriously in *that* way or ... terrible things may happen.
That doomerism is also a different kind of effective marketing for AI concerns me deeply.
Pivot to AI highlighted a WaPo article that talked about how Hank was among some youTube influencers supported by a group called Frame which is linked directly to EA.
This has had a noticeable impact on his content... something I noticed without knowing about the connection a month ago.
To me this is the real issue. Doomerism is just Boosterism with a D rather than a B. It's buying into the illusion.
And it is scaring people, which seems manipulative.
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Pivot to AI highlighted a WaPo article that talked about how Hank was among some youTube influencers supported by a group called Frame which is linked directly to EA.
This has had a noticeable impact on his content... something I noticed without knowing about the connection a month ago.
To me this is the real issue. Doomerism is just Boosterism with a D rather than a B. It's buying into the illusion.
And it is scaring people, which seems manipulative.
I legit think the doomers and boosters come from the same source at this point, just with different flavors of the same message that may resonate with different groups of people.
You won't buy that AI will save the world and grant wishes? Maybe you'll go for "it's so dangerous" ... and therefore still must be very powerful and effective.
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The fallout from "No, not Hank Green using that AI" is at the stage where people are debating if "canceling" people is bad.
This because about 10k people unsubscribed from his youTube channel, something that probably caused him to take stock and leave the internet for a bit.
Unsubscribing from a youTube channel isn't "canceling" someone. Can we all calm down please?
Also, that he used AI isn't really the big issue, it has just formed a concise talking point around something bigger.
@futurebird I’ve been there in that, in the past, I’ve used AI to “soften” the tone of my posts so that they wouldn’t result in unforeseen conflict.
However, my stance is that your thoughts should be your genuine thoughts if you are presenting them as your thoughts.
And for this reason, I’ve also lessened my use of AI because I don’t need it to write for me—just make sure that what I write aligns with my intentions. -
I've only really seen Pivot to AI pick up on this, but Hank Green has some tangental involvement with "Effective Alturists." One big aspect of Effective altruism (EA) is AI doomerism. AI is a world changing technology (they believe) and we need to take it seriously in *that* way or ... terrible things may happen.
That doomerism is also a different kind of effective marketing for AI concerns me deeply.
@futurebird
I really like Hank Green, and this turn really bothers me. I don't even want to investigate it too closely because I know it's going to change how I feel about his stuff. -
I legit think the doomers and boosters come from the same source at this point, just with different flavors of the same message that may resonate with different groups of people.
You won't buy that AI will save the world and grant wishes? Maybe you'll go for "it's so dangerous" ... and therefore still must be very powerful and effective.
@futurebird It's been quasi-religious (at least) for a long time now, so of course it has the same trappings of Christians having differences of approach whether they focus on God as loving father, power-justified tyrant, or some combination of the two, but recreating the Predator handshake meme in their agreement that God is omnipotent.
All the more reason it's clearly nonsense (which is terrifying to see people fall for) for anyone outside the reality distortion bubble where emotions motivate belief in some kind of Turbo Pascal's Wager.
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The fallout from "No, not Hank Green using that AI" is at the stage where people are debating if "canceling" people is bad.
This because about 10k people unsubscribed from his youTube channel, something that probably caused him to take stock and leave the internet for a bit.
Unsubscribing from a youTube channel isn't "canceling" someone. Can we all calm down please?
Also, that he used AI isn't really the big issue, it has just formed a concise talking point around something bigger.
@futurebird It’s as if some folk feel they are owed an audience. Folk will support folk they want to support.
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I legit think the doomers and boosters come from the same source at this point, just with different flavors of the same message that may resonate with different groups of people.
You won't buy that AI will save the world and grant wishes? Maybe you'll go for "it's so dangerous" ... and therefore still must be very powerful and effective.
Oh! If you don't know what "Pivot" is? Let me tell you about it: The name is a play on the phrase "Pivot to video" from the famous attempt to shut down print media and increase ad revenue. It's short hand for a bait and switch.
Pivot is basically the local news around here for tech topics and markets. David is a cool dude who is bad at interior decorating and he just interviewed Molly White.
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Oh! If you don't know what "Pivot" is? Let me tell you about it: The name is a play on the phrase "Pivot to video" from the famous attempt to shut down print media and increase ad revenue. It's short hand for a bait and switch.
Pivot is basically the local news around here for tech topics and markets. David is a cool dude who is bad at interior decorating and he just interviewed Molly White.
@futurebird i personally think that (cool + interior decorating) = K, where K is a universal human constant.
(kind regards from a dude who's pretty good at interior decorating and also almost pathologically uncool.)
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@futurebird It's been quasi-religious (at least) for a long time now, so of course it has the same trappings of Christians having differences of approach whether they focus on God as loving father, power-justified tyrant, or some combination of the two, but recreating the Predator handshake meme in their agreement that God is omnipotent.
All the more reason it's clearly nonsense (which is terrifying to see people fall for) for anyone outside the reality distortion bubble where emotions motivate belief in some kind of Turbo Pascal's Wager.
> Turbo Pascal's Wager
OK, this is now my favourite description of that belief.
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I've only really seen Pivot to AI pick up on this, but Hank Green has some tangental involvement with "Effective Alturists." One big aspect of Effective altruism (EA) is AI doomerism. AI is a world changing technology (they believe) and we need to take it seriously in *that* way or ... terrible things may happen.
That doomerism is also a different kind of effective marketing for AI concerns me deeply.
@futurebird the HG knitting fiasco (and his non-apology for how badly he fucked that entire situation up) is what finally drove me to block his content all together.
Just another dude who parrots whatever the echochamber says, and deflects responsibility when it invariably bites him in the ass.
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@futurebird It’s as if some folk feel they are owed an audience. Folk will support folk they want to support.
To be fair to Hank Green, which people probably do too much, *he* was not whining about this. Some of his fans are doing it. If it came from him that would be much worse.
Recovery is possible but for me the first step would be to *report* on what the EA people are all about. What did they try to teach you those meetings? How did it work? Help other people avoid it.
That would be the right move.
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To be fair to Hank Green, which people probably do too much, *he* was not whining about this. Some of his fans are doing it. If it came from him that would be much worse.
Recovery is possible but for me the first step would be to *report* on what the EA people are all about. What did they try to teach you those meetings? How did it work? Help other people avoid it.
That would be the right move.
@futurebird I had to look him up. I guess it depends on how he’s using it. I don’t trust any “knowledge” that is produced with AI, so I am predisposed to not trust what he shows.
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The fallout from "No, not Hank Green using that AI" is at the stage where people are debating if "canceling" people is bad.
This because about 10k people unsubscribed from his youTube channel, something that probably caused him to take stock and leave the internet for a bit.
Unsubscribing from a youTube channel isn't "canceling" someone. Can we all calm down please?
Also, that he used AI isn't really the big issue, it has just formed a concise talking point around something bigger.
@futurebird I deem it a completely different thing than "cancelling".
"Canceling" is when we stop engaging with media we previously enjoyed because supporting the person who created it (financially or reputationally) is too odious or because something we know about them now has soured our interpretation of what they created.
Dropping a YouTuber because he's pivoted to AI slop is just a matter of the content itself no longer being fit for consumption.
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The fallout from "No, not Hank Green using that AI" is at the stage where people are debating if "canceling" people is bad.
This because about 10k people unsubscribed from his youTube channel, something that probably caused him to take stock and leave the internet for a bit.
Unsubscribing from a youTube channel isn't "canceling" someone. Can we all calm down please?
Also, that he used AI isn't really the big issue, it has just formed a concise talking point around something bigger.
@futurebird I agree 100% with you. It's attacking the messaging in any way that boosts AI and it's credibility. Saviour or sinner. As a professional, I know that AI is not only not AI, it is rather a sophistacted computer that does what it is told via machine learning concepts such as the prompt. Nothing broke containment. Nothing hacked anything on its own. It was programmed (prompted) to do so and given the resources. It's a huge scam, and embarrassingly so. But in Trump's world, they know nobody will hold them to account. They can make up whatever shit they want.
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I legit think the doomers and boosters come from the same source at this point, just with different flavors of the same message that may resonate with different groups of people.
You won't buy that AI will save the world and grant wishes? Maybe you'll go for "it's so dangerous" ... and therefore still must be very powerful and effective.
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@futurebird I deem it a completely different thing than "cancelling".
"Canceling" is when we stop engaging with media we previously enjoyed because supporting the person who created it (financially or reputationally) is too odious or because something we know about them now has soured our interpretation of what they created.
Dropping a YouTuber because he's pivoted to AI slop is just a matter of the content itself no longer being fit for consumption.
It does not spark joy.
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@futurebird
I really like Hank Green, and this turn really bothers me. I don't even want to investigate it too closely because I know it's going to change how I feel about his stuff.@jstevenyork @futurebird Then that's why it's important to do.
Disregarding a nobody you never cared about is easy - it's the default.
Unpacking what someone who's acted unethically has fed you through their position of information influence is a lot harder but actually matters.
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I legit think the doomers and boosters come from the same source at this point, just with different flavors of the same message that may resonate with different groups of people.
You won't buy that AI will save the world and grant wishes? Maybe you'll go for "it's so dangerous" ... and therefore still must be very powerful and effective.
@futurebird I hadn't heard of Hank Green before. I agree to your points anyway.
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@futurebird I deem it a completely different thing than "cancelling".
"Canceling" is when we stop engaging with media we previously enjoyed because supporting the person who created it (financially or reputationally) is too odious or because something we know about them now has soured our interpretation of what they created.
Dropping a YouTuber because he's pivoted to AI slop is just a matter of the content itself no longer being fit for consumption.
Really one of the things that gives me hope for the future is that just disliking AI is so popular even among people who don't know about some of the deeper reasons. I think there is another group of people who are more quiet about not liking it but they have a big fear of not being seen as up to date or able to adapt and use new technology.
The money to promote this stuff is all over the place. Nearly everyone I know has had an education session at work about it.
That is WILD.
