this is how you all fucking sound
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this is how you all fucking sound
by stillvreni : https://bsky.app/profile/vreni.bsky.social/post/3mms5baylac2p
@joachim At least to me I think Child Labor is the best example.
Because "AI" is here doesn't distinguish the difference between what was "AI" 10 years ago to now. People don't have nearly as many problems with auto-correct or GPS even though those are "AI" GenAI is where the problem stems.
So like with Child Labor it would like if someone had a problem with Child Labor and the response was "Labor is here to stay" okay, but the problem is with ONE SUBSET of Labor not Labor in general IMO.
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@Beggarmidas @keydelk @joachim Now you just sound like an amalgamation of a centrist and a Republican. "Both sides are the same". ""That's what the enemy wants you to believe".
I'm assuming it never occurred to you that people have actively used these systems and are pointing out extremely obvious issues that are getting worse after every update? The costs are enormous, the companies running it have no solutions except to build bigger data centers and consume even more water and electricity with no solid goals on what progress even looks like.
And don't tell me "oh, the Russians or the Chinese will beat us at this!" They can't even get indoor plumbing to their rural populace, they don't give a solitary shit as to what sacrifices their population will have to pay. And for what? A barely working system that is guaranteed to make mistakes that will be more difficult to correct than if they were never used at all?
@jhooper @keydelk @joachim Next. I have considered the technology carefully and explored it considerably. I regard it as immature, at best. There is a mania fueled by the last century of science fiction that has drastically overvalued its stock value & expectations. Not to say it's lacking use. I think it'll show great promise with some iterative reprioritization, especially for neurodivergent peoples. However it's now become the largest bubble in world history. AI and crypto have now
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@Beggarmidas @keydelk @joachim Now you just sound like an amalgamation of a centrist and a Republican. "Both sides are the same". ""That's what the enemy wants you to believe".
I'm assuming it never occurred to you that people have actively used these systems and are pointing out extremely obvious issues that are getting worse after every update? The costs are enormous, the companies running it have no solutions except to build bigger data centers and consume even more water and electricity with no solid goals on what progress even looks like.
And don't tell me "oh, the Russians or the Chinese will beat us at this!" They can't even get indoor plumbing to their rural populace, they don't give a solitary shit as to what sacrifices their population will have to pay. And for what? A barely working system that is guaranteed to make mistakes that will be more difficult to correct than if they were never used at all?
@jhooper @keydelk @joachim <cont> absorbed an inordinate share of world GDP investment. Not just the usual suspects either. Old money has gone all in on both, so when one inevitably tanks it'll pop the other. Taking an astronomical collective sum down a fiscal black hole triggering a world recession lasting decades. Paired with the high probability of WW III in the next 18 months it'll reorganize the geopolitical world. These are the last days of a golden age. Go try to enjoy them while you can.
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this is how you all fucking sound
by stillvreni : https://bsky.app/profile/vreni.bsky.social/post/3mms5baylac2p
@joachim Machine learning isn't going away. Open source AI models anybody can download and run on a local machine for free aren't going away. There is no need for these humongous computing centres to run "AI" unless you are chasing the dream of having one universal AI system that does it all. Instead of training models to do everything (sloppily), we can train them to do get really good at only one thing.
The whole idea of using natural language to tell the computer what you want it to do is completely absurd IMHO, yet LLMs are trying to do that. We already have a lot of beautiful languages in which we can tell computers exactly what to do, they are strict and unambiguous, the computer will always do exactly the same thing when you combine the same instructions with the same data. The idea of talking to a computer like you talk to a human may be an old dream, but it is a very silly one. If you have a powerful machine, you want it to behave in a reliable and reproducible manner. Human languages aren't made for machines, they're made for upright walking apes with swollen mutant brains. -
@keydelk @joachim There's more to it than that. Has it occurred to you yet that the pushback has become just as irrational as it's hyper promotion? Both sides are depending on emotive appeals that supersede rational analysis. That is not an accidental association. It is in fact the goal. Weaponized LLM's have been deployed to create pockets of mutually adversarial grievances. Primarily but not exclusively China & Russia originated.
https://stratcomcoe.org/publications/beyond-spam-bots-the-rise-of-ai-powered-disinformation-machines-and-the-imperative-for-strategic-response/342Yes, it's very emotional to want to keep climate change from accelerating, clean drinking water available to living creatures, and electricity prices from spiking *all to put people out of work.*
Super weird, v irrational of us to be concerned about a known and quantifiable threat. Much amaze that we would object. Definitely the same as people who think they're dating autocorrect.
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this is how you all fucking sound
by stillvreni : https://bsky.app/profile/vreni.bsky.social/post/3mms5baylac2p
@joachim I just want to make it clear that we're making fun of that first speaker because of what they're saying. It has nothing to do with their five teats.
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this is how you all fucking sound
by stillvreni : https://bsky.app/profile/vreni.bsky.social/post/3mms5baylac2p
@joachim not so sure about this one chief I think this is rather minimizing of the unconscionable multigenerational oppression of chattel slavery
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Yes, it's very emotional to want to keep climate change from accelerating, clean drinking water available to living creatures, and electricity prices from spiking *all to put people out of work.*
Super weird, v irrational of us to be concerned about a known and quantifiable threat. Much amaze that we would object. Definitely the same as people who think they're dating autocorrect.
@ProcessParsnip @keydelk @joachim recent findings have already ruled out worst case scenarios. You've had cleaner drinking water for a century now than any of your ancestors have EVER enjoyed since our species first evolved. By relative to total water usage datacenters are only occupying .2% of *total* USA withdrawal. The numbers only seem big if you don't compare them to any other sector consumer in society. Which as you know is bad science. https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-future-worst-case-best-danger-cc7a20fba4f5b42ce33024e1b781e7c9?utm_source=copilot.com
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Yes, it's very emotional to want to keep climate change from accelerating, clean drinking water available to living creatures, and electricity prices from spiking *all to put people out of work.*
Super weird, v irrational of us to be concerned about a known and quantifiable threat. Much amaze that we would object. Definitely the same as people who think they're dating autocorrect.
@ProcessParsnip @keydelk @joachim The electrical consumtion issue is valid, but highly locally variable and too nuanced to discuss in this format.
Bottom line is hysterics aren't helping. Not you. Not any cause you care about.
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@jhooper @keydelk @joachim <cont> absorbed an inordinate share of world GDP investment. Not just the usual suspects either. Old money has gone all in on both, so when one inevitably tanks it'll pop the other. Taking an astronomical collective sum down a fiscal black hole triggering a world recession lasting decades. Paired with the high probability of WW III in the next 18 months it'll reorganize the geopolitical world. These are the last days of a golden age. Go try to enjoy them while you can.
@Beggarmidas @jhooper @joachim oh yeah, the world is going to shit, and AI is just the latest tanker of fuel on the fire. But going out and enjoying it is a lot easier without the slop being shoveled in our faces.
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Yes, it's very emotional to want to keep climate change from accelerating, clean drinking water available to living creatures, and electricity prices from spiking *all to put people out of work.*
Super weird, v irrational of us to be concerned about a known and quantifiable threat. Much amaze that we would object. Definitely the same as people who think they're dating autocorrect.
@ProcessParsnip @keydelk @joachim ONe final note. If you've calmed down enough to listen. We are making progress on reducing & sequestering carbon emissions, but we're not going to meet Paris accord goals. That was always a mythical target. That's kind of what happens when you take one group of scientists priorities as gospel while excluding input from energy sector specialists, economists, buisness concerns, and industry reps.
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Yes, it's very emotional to want to keep climate change from accelerating, clean drinking water available to living creatures, and electricity prices from spiking *all to put people out of work.*
Super weird, v irrational of us to be concerned about a known and quantifiable threat. Much amaze that we would object. Definitely the same as people who think they're dating autocorrect.
@ProcessParsnip @keydelk @joachim Theres a lot of various people now working on the problem and there's a lot of genuine reasons to be hopeful. There was never going to be a workable 100% solution. Instead like other events its just going to take us a bunch of 1% & 2% & 3% solutions that'll collectively carry us over the finish line.
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@ProcessParsnip @keydelk @joachim Theres a lot of various people now working on the problem and there's a lot of genuine reasons to be hopeful. There was never going to be a workable 100% solution. Instead like other events its just going to take us a bunch of 1% & 2% & 3% solutions that'll collectively carry us over the finish line.
@Beggarmidas @ProcessParsnip @joachim possibly. I think the solution isn’t going to involve widespread use of LLMs though. It’s a terribly expensive, inefficient and unreliable technology. I think we’ll look back on them a bit like zeppelins or jet-packs; a technology that sounded cool, but had too many impracticalities to really be useful. And jetpacks and zeppelins never consumed more resources than a midsized nation.
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this is how you all fucking sound
by stillvreni : https://bsky.app/profile/vreni.bsky.social/post/3mms5baylac2p
@joachim
What happened to mastodon? Who are these trolls answering to your post ? -
@joachim
What happened to mastodon? Who are these trolls answering to your post ?@Teratogenese that’s what I’m asking myself. The block button has been working overtime
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@ProcessParsnip @keydelk @joachim ONe final note. If you've calmed down enough to listen. We are making progress on reducing & sequestering carbon emissions, but we're not going to meet Paris accord goals. That was always a mythical target. That's kind of what happens when you take one group of scientists priorities as gospel while excluding input from energy sector specialists, economists, buisness concerns, and industry reps.
"ONe final note. If you've calmed down enough to listen."
Please kindly fuck off.
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@Beggarmidas @ProcessParsnip @joachim possibly. I think the solution isn’t going to involve widespread use of LLMs though. It’s a terribly expensive, inefficient and unreliable technology. I think we’ll look back on them a bit like zeppelins or jet-packs; a technology that sounded cool, but had too many impracticalities to really be useful. And jetpacks and zeppelins never consumed more resources than a midsized nation.
@keydelk @Beggarmidas @ProcessParsnip zeppelin accidents killed more people than chatbots did, for now (and it’s not counting AI use in war)
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@keydelk @Beggarmidas @ProcessParsnip zeppelin accidents killed more people than chatbots did, for now (and it’s not counting AI use in war)
@joachim @Beggarmidas @ProcessParsnip Also not counting the deaths from increased emissions from data centers (https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/analyzing-air-pollution-health-economic-risks-from-ai-data-centers/ ). And probably also excluding the deaths from suicide by the poorly compensated labors who have to weed out the CSAM and other internet filth from training data (https://restofworld.org/2025/the-ai-con-book-invisible-labor/ ).
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this is how you all fucking sound
by stillvreni : https://bsky.app/profile/vreni.bsky.social/post/3mms5baylac2p
Of course, some people **intend** so sound like that ...
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this is how you all fucking sound
by stillvreni : https://bsky.app/profile/vreni.bsky.social/post/3mms5baylac2p
