this is how you all fucking sound
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@keydelk @joachim There's more to it than that. Has it occurred to you yet that the pushback has become just as irrational as it's hyper promotion? Both sides are depending on emotive appeals that supersede rational analysis. That is not an accidental association. It is in fact the goal. Weaponized LLM's have been deployed to create pockets of mutually adversarial grievances. Primarily but not exclusively China & Russia originated.
https://stratcomcoe.org/publications/beyond-spam-bots-the-rise-of-ai-powered-disinformation-machines-and-the-imperative-for-strategic-response/342Yes, it's very emotional to want to keep climate change from accelerating, clean drinking water available to living creatures, and electricity prices from spiking *all to put people out of work.*
Super weird, v irrational of us to be concerned about a known and quantifiable threat. Much amaze that we would object. Definitely the same as people who think they're dating autocorrect.
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this is how you all fucking sound
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@joachim I just want to make it clear that we're making fun of that first speaker because of what they're saying. It has nothing to do with their five teats.
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this is how you all fucking sound
by stillvreni : https://bsky.app/profile/vreni.bsky.social/post/3mms5baylac2p
@joachim not so sure about this one chief I think this is rather minimizing of the unconscionable multigenerational oppression of chattel slavery
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Yes, it's very emotional to want to keep climate change from accelerating, clean drinking water available to living creatures, and electricity prices from spiking *all to put people out of work.*
Super weird, v irrational of us to be concerned about a known and quantifiable threat. Much amaze that we would object. Definitely the same as people who think they're dating autocorrect.
@ProcessParsnip @keydelk @joachim recent findings have already ruled out worst case scenarios. You've had cleaner drinking water for a century now than any of your ancestors have EVER enjoyed since our species first evolved. By relative to total water usage datacenters are only occupying .2% of *total* USA withdrawal. The numbers only seem big if you don't compare them to any other sector consumer in society. Which as you know is bad science. https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-future-worst-case-best-danger-cc7a20fba4f5b42ce33024e1b781e7c9?utm_source=copilot.com
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Yes, it's very emotional to want to keep climate change from accelerating, clean drinking water available to living creatures, and electricity prices from spiking *all to put people out of work.*
Super weird, v irrational of us to be concerned about a known and quantifiable threat. Much amaze that we would object. Definitely the same as people who think they're dating autocorrect.
@ProcessParsnip @keydelk @joachim The electrical consumtion issue is valid, but highly locally variable and too nuanced to discuss in this format.
Bottom line is hysterics aren't helping. Not you. Not any cause you care about.
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@jhooper @keydelk @joachim <cont> absorbed an inordinate share of world GDP investment. Not just the usual suspects either. Old money has gone all in on both, so when one inevitably tanks it'll pop the other. Taking an astronomical collective sum down a fiscal black hole triggering a world recession lasting decades. Paired with the high probability of WW III in the next 18 months it'll reorganize the geopolitical world. These are the last days of a golden age. Go try to enjoy them while you can.
@Beggarmidas @jhooper @joachim oh yeah, the world is going to shit, and AI is just the latest tanker of fuel on the fire. But going out and enjoying it is a lot easier without the slop being shoveled in our faces.
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Yes, it's very emotional to want to keep climate change from accelerating, clean drinking water available to living creatures, and electricity prices from spiking *all to put people out of work.*
Super weird, v irrational of us to be concerned about a known and quantifiable threat. Much amaze that we would object. Definitely the same as people who think they're dating autocorrect.
@ProcessParsnip @keydelk @joachim ONe final note. If you've calmed down enough to listen. We are making progress on reducing & sequestering carbon emissions, but we're not going to meet Paris accord goals. That was always a mythical target. That's kind of what happens when you take one group of scientists priorities as gospel while excluding input from energy sector specialists, economists, buisness concerns, and industry reps.
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Yes, it's very emotional to want to keep climate change from accelerating, clean drinking water available to living creatures, and electricity prices from spiking *all to put people out of work.*
Super weird, v irrational of us to be concerned about a known and quantifiable threat. Much amaze that we would object. Definitely the same as people who think they're dating autocorrect.
@ProcessParsnip @keydelk @joachim Theres a lot of various people now working on the problem and there's a lot of genuine reasons to be hopeful. There was never going to be a workable 100% solution. Instead like other events its just going to take us a bunch of 1% & 2% & 3% solutions that'll collectively carry us over the finish line.
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@ProcessParsnip @keydelk @joachim Theres a lot of various people now working on the problem and there's a lot of genuine reasons to be hopeful. There was never going to be a workable 100% solution. Instead like other events its just going to take us a bunch of 1% & 2% & 3% solutions that'll collectively carry us over the finish line.
@Beggarmidas @ProcessParsnip @joachim possibly. I think the solution isn’t going to involve widespread use of LLMs though. It’s a terribly expensive, inefficient and unreliable technology. I think we’ll look back on them a bit like zeppelins or jet-packs; a technology that sounded cool, but had too many impracticalities to really be useful. And jetpacks and zeppelins never consumed more resources than a midsized nation.
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this is how you all fucking sound
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@joachim
What happened to mastodon? Who are these trolls answering to your post ? -
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What happened to mastodon? Who are these trolls answering to your post ?@Teratogenese that’s what I’m asking myself. The block button has been working overtime
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@ProcessParsnip @keydelk @joachim ONe final note. If you've calmed down enough to listen. We are making progress on reducing & sequestering carbon emissions, but we're not going to meet Paris accord goals. That was always a mythical target. That's kind of what happens when you take one group of scientists priorities as gospel while excluding input from energy sector specialists, economists, buisness concerns, and industry reps.
"ONe final note. If you've calmed down enough to listen."
Please kindly fuck off.
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@Beggarmidas @ProcessParsnip @joachim possibly. I think the solution isn’t going to involve widespread use of LLMs though. It’s a terribly expensive, inefficient and unreliable technology. I think we’ll look back on them a bit like zeppelins or jet-packs; a technology that sounded cool, but had too many impracticalities to really be useful. And jetpacks and zeppelins never consumed more resources than a midsized nation.
@keydelk @Beggarmidas @ProcessParsnip zeppelin accidents killed more people than chatbots did, for now (and it’s not counting AI use in war)
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@keydelk @Beggarmidas @ProcessParsnip zeppelin accidents killed more people than chatbots did, for now (and it’s not counting AI use in war)
@joachim @Beggarmidas @ProcessParsnip Also not counting the deaths from increased emissions from data centers (https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/analyzing-air-pollution-health-economic-risks-from-ai-data-centers/ ). And probably also excluding the deaths from suicide by the poorly compensated labors who have to weed out the CSAM and other internet filth from training data (https://restofworld.org/2025/the-ai-con-book-invisible-labor/ ).
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this is how you all fucking sound
by stillvreni : https://bsky.app/profile/vreni.bsky.social/post/3mms5baylac2p
Of course, some people **intend** so sound like that ...
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this is how you all fucking sound
by stillvreni : https://bsky.app/profile/vreni.bsky.social/post/3mms5baylac2p
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this is how you all fucking sound
by stillvreni : https://bsky.app/profile/vreni.bsky.social/post/3mms5baylac2p
@joachim I’m saying eliminate the billionaires and above and CEOs they are the very worst minority and the main threat to humanity and the planet
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@joachim @Beggarmidas @ProcessParsnip Also not counting the deaths from increased emissions from data centers (https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/analyzing-air-pollution-health-economic-risks-from-ai-data-centers/ ). And probably also excluding the deaths from suicide by the poorly compensated labors who have to weed out the CSAM and other internet filth from training data (https://restofworld.org/2025/the-ai-con-book-invisible-labor/ ).
@keydelk @joachim @ProcessParsnip Compared to other imminent & existential risks we're facing datacenters are kinda chump change, wouldn't ya say? We've got a tyrant insistent on staying in the white house by any means, with all the inevitable holocaust ver. 2 that'll follow comes bundled with it. WW III ready to kick off anytime from five minutes to two years from now. A bleeding kansas style civil war fermenting in the, heh, wings.
As things go the datacentersis are piffling small change -
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