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  3. Chat Control 1.0 lets Big Tech scan ALL your messages.

Chat Control 1.0 lets Big Tech scan ALL your messages.

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  • ix9@social.vivaldi.netI ix9@social.vivaldi.net

    @Tutanota I'm not a tech person: how can encrypted messages be scanned? Isn't that the whole pointof E2E encryption?

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    #13

    @ix9 @Tutanota Infrastructure is ready for the task, at least at Windows and Android. The e2e encryption is irrelevant, the message is accessed and assessed on the screen (or speakers) – the problem US tech companies had that what they do is illegal. They went to the politicians with some 0.00001% of value of this scam and um, get them convinced about a bright affluent future for all engaged parties.

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    • tutanota@mastodon.socialT tutanota@mastodon.social

      Chat Control 1.0 lets Big Tech scan ALL your messages. 👀 

      And the EU wants this to continue. Decision is this WEDNESDAY.

      ⚡  Call your MEPs now! ⚡ 
      ➡️ https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

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      #14

      @Tutanota Come to Signal!!!
      Right @AboutSignalNL !?

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      • tutanota@mastodon.socialT tutanota@mastodon.social

        #ChatControl must be stopped because it:

        🚨 Undermines Europe's digital sovereignty

        🚨 Weakens everybody's security

        Curious if your emails are safe? Check here which providers scan your data:
        👉 https://tuta.com/blog/voluntary-scanning-google-microsoft

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        #15

        @Tutanota interesting numbers. I would be interested in the false positive rate of those flags

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        • tutanota@mastodon.socialT tutanota@mastodon.social

          Chat Control 1.0 lets Big Tech scan ALL your messages. 👀 

          And the EU wants this to continue. Decision is this WEDNESDAY.

          ⚡  Call your MEPs now! ⚡ 
          ➡️ https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

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          #16
          @Tutanota why do they keep up thag bullshit... The world is on fire, the united states is a rogue wildcard threatening to dismantle NATO, there's a war at the eastern border, internal issues like wealth inequality are tearing the union and its member states appart, but instead of focusing on that they keep trying to push for this shit.
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          • azarilh@mastodon.socialA azarilh@mastodon.social

            @Tutanota Wow. My country, Italy, for once is on the good side of history.

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            #17

            @Azarilh @Tutanota pensavo fossimo automaticamente tra coloro che sostengono la proposta. Sono rimasta senza parole a vedere che invece no. Per una volta ❤️

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            • nic3@mastodon.socialN nic3@mastodon.social

              @Tutanota Come to Signal!!!
              Right @AboutSignalNL !?

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              #18

              @Nic3 @Tutanota @AboutSignalNL

              Signal won't be legal under such legislation.

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              • tutanota@mastodon.socialT tutanota@mastodon.social

                #ChatControl must be stopped because it:

                🚨 Undermines Europe's digital sovereignty

                🚨 Weakens everybody's security

                Curious if your emails are safe? Check here which providers scan your data:
                👉 https://tuta.com/blog/voluntary-scanning-google-microsoft

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                #19

                @Tutanota I can send messages over gmail that Google can't scan because gmail supports IMAP 4, and my mail client supports GPG encrypted email. Google can still see subject lines and email addresses, but not the contents of those messages. My open-source mail client is not provided by Google. The catch: I don't know people who normally use GPG.

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                • gilraen79@mastodon.socialG gilraen79@mastodon.social

                  @Azarilh @Tutanota pensavo fossimo automaticamente tra coloro che sostengono la proposta. Sono rimasta senza parole a vedere che invece no. Per una volta ❤️

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                  #20

                  @gilraen79 Incredibile ma vero.

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                  • ulfr@hachyderm.ioU ulfr@hachyderm.io

                    @ix9 If they somehow gain access to end users' devices, they can scan before sending / after reception. As long as one party of a conversation or group chat takes part with a compromised device, all contents decrypted by that device will leak. If they have a legal lever against vendors, new devices and updates to old ones will come pre-compromised f.ex. on the operating system level. Futute versions of iOS or Android will be forced to provide means for "lawful" interception. Which is in quotes because according to fundamental rights, there can be no such thing. @Tutanota

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                    #21

                    @ulfr @Tutanota I get now; thanks.

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                    • anotheridiotontheweb@mastodon.socialA anotheridiotontheweb@mastodon.social

                      @Tutanota Thank goodness my country opposes to this madness, but I hope other countries will do the same.

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                      #22

                      @anotheridiotontheweb @Tutanota There are countries opposing this? How many? And which ones? (I guess Ive been hearing a lot of the negative stuff lol)

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                      • tutanota@mastodon.socialT tutanota@mastodon.social

                        Chat Control 1.0 lets Big Tech scan ALL your messages. 👀 

                        And the EU wants this to continue. Decision is this WEDNESDAY.

                        ⚡  Call your MEPs now! ⚡ 
                        ➡️ https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

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                        #23

                        @Tutanota a reminder that considering mechanisms to circumvent this abominable law once it's implemented misses a critical issue:

                        Circumventing the scanning puts you on the wrong side of the law, making you fair game for prosecution. You are now in the same bucket as the terrorists and CSAM distributors.

                        This is a classic authoritarian catalyst: change the law so you can "legally" persecute your enemies.

                        These kinds of power grabs must be stopped before they are approved in the first place.

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                        • tutanota@mastodon.socialT tutanota@mastodon.social

                          #ChatControl must be stopped because it:

                          🚨 Undermines Europe's digital sovereignty

                          🚨 Weakens everybody's security

                          Curious if your emails are safe? Check here which providers scan your data:
                          👉 https://tuta.com/blog/voluntary-scanning-google-microsoft

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                          #24

                          @Tutanota How do you propose to detect people recruited by the KGB to commit acts of sabotage? https://theins.ru/news/278528

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                          • bzdev@fosstodon.orgB bzdev@fosstodon.org

                            @Tutanota I can send messages over gmail that Google can't scan because gmail supports IMAP 4, and my mail client supports GPG encrypted email. Google can still see subject lines and email addresses, but not the contents of those messages. My open-source mail client is not provided by Google. The catch: I don't know people who normally use GPG.

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                            #25

                            @bzdev @Tutanota same for s/mime

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                            • C child_of_god@mastodon.social

                              @anotheridiotontheweb @Tutanota There are countries opposing this? How many? And which ones? (I guess Ive been hearing a lot of the negative stuff lol)

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                              #26

                              @child_of_God @Tutanota As far as I've checked, there are 4 or 6 countries opposing, including Italy.

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                              • azarilh@mastodon.socialA azarilh@mastodon.social

                                @gilraen79 Incredibile ma vero.

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                                #27

                                @Azarilh @gilraen79 Ma davvero? O_O

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                                • reiddragon@fedi.catto.gardenR reiddragon@fedi.catto.garden
                                  @Tutanota why do they keep up thag bullshit... The world is on fire, the united states is a rogue wildcard threatening to dismantle NATO, there's a war at the eastern border, internal issues like wealth inequality are tearing the union and its member states appart, but instead of focusing on that they keep trying to push for this shit.
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                                  #28

                                  @reiddragon @Tutanota Unfortunately "this shit" is part of the "world on fire" issue. Imagine Nazis getting to power after chat control is implemented and we all are screwed.

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                                  • zelgaav@mastodon.socialZ zelgaav@mastodon.social

                                    @reiddragon @Tutanota Unfortunately "this shit" is part of the "world on fire" issue. Imagine Nazis getting to power after chat control is implemented and we all are screwed.

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                                    #29
                                    @zelgaav @Tutanota exactly; everything is fucked, they promise to fix it then try to make it worse
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                                    • didek@101010.plD didek@101010.pl

                                      @Nic3 @Tutanota @AboutSignalNL

                                      Signal won't be legal under such legislation.

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                                      @didek @Tutanota @AboutSignalNL so, the Chat Control is gonna lose 🙂 (atleast that is what i think/hope)

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                                      • bzdev@fosstodon.orgB bzdev@fosstodon.org

                                        @Tutanota I can send messages over gmail that Google can't scan because gmail supports IMAP 4, and my mail client supports GPG encrypted email. Google can still see subject lines and email addresses, but not the contents of those messages. My open-source mail client is not provided by Google. The catch: I don't know people who normally use GPG.

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                                        #31

                                        @bzdev @Tutanota GPG is a perfect example of a tool that’s technically excellent and socially impossible. The encryption works. The problem is you need the other person to also care, and most people don’t.

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                                        • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                          @Tutanota wtf again??????

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                                          #32

                                          @aeva We know right. 🙈

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