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How much slop is in Linux now?

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  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

    kbm0@mastodon.socialK krazov@mstdn.socialK axel@social.glitched.systemsA spitfire@mastodon.deS landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL 15 Replies Last reply
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    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

      How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

      https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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      #2

      @davidgerard That will make it tricky once all LLM assisted content is ruled as copyright infringement and needs to be stripped out.

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      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

        How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

        https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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        #3

        @davidgerard "We didn't need the thermometer anyway."

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        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

          How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

          https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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          #4

          @davidgerard@circumstances.run I don't understand. If LLM-code is fine, why go out of your way to obfuscate what is or isn't LLM-generated code? All this does is erode trust.

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

            https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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            #5

            @davidgerard

            I am really baffled by the speed of how fast this project goes down the shitter 😥

            /e: yet there's still a glimmer of hope that torvalds is going to get over his "it's just a tool" phase. I heard him already complaining about the volume of bogus pull requests etc.

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            • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

              @davidgerard

              I am really baffled by the speed of how fast this project goes down the shitter 😥

              /e: yet there's still a glimmer of hope that torvalds is going to get over his "it's just a tool" phase. I heard him already complaining about the volume of bogus pull requests etc.

              mccovican@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @spitfire @davidgerard

              I'm afraid that glimmer is looking more and more like a mirage...

              https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/

              His ignorance is, at this point, wholly wilful.

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              • mccovican@infosec.exchangeM mccovican@infosec.exchange

                @spitfire @davidgerard

                I'm afraid that glimmer is looking more and more like a mirage...

                https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/

                His ignorance is, at this point, wholly wilful.

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                #7

                @McCovican

                oh damn - reading that mail made me literally facepalm. instantly going ad-hominem and argueing like a 5th grader. 🙄

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                • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

                  @McCovican

                  oh damn - reading that mail made me literally facepalm. instantly going ad-hominem and argueing like a 5th grader. 🙄

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                  #8

                  @spitfire @McCovican What we need is a fork.
                  New Linux and Slop Linux need to be developed separately.

                  landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL moriel@chaosfem.twM 2 Replies Last reply
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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

                    landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @davidgerard Problem solved ✨️

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                    • yora@mastodon.gamedev.placeY yora@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      @spitfire @McCovican What we need is a fork.
                      New Linux and Slop Linux need to be developed separately.

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                      #10

                      @yora @spitfire @McCovican There are other, under-resourced operating systems that are more worthy of the attention than this insecure C fossil.

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                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                        How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                        https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                        #11

                        @davidgerard And _the guy_ has lost his marbles.

                        https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/

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                        • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

                          @yora @spitfire @McCovican There are other, under-resourced operating systems that are more worthy of the attention than this insecure C fossil.

                          yora@mastodon.gamedev.placeY This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @landelare @spitfire @McCovican Sure. If we make all the Linux software run on it I'd be happy to use it.

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                          • yora@mastodon.gamedev.placeY yora@mastodon.gamedev.place

                            @spitfire @McCovican What we need is a fork.
                            New Linux and Slop Linux need to be developed separately.

                            moriel@chaosfem.twM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @yora @spitfire @McCovican

                            i've been wondering when this would get mentioned. i wish i had the free time to work on such a project, but although i learned C in the early 90's i've never done any kernel work so even the thought of using what little free time i have sounds completely daunting.

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                            • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

                              @davidgerard

                              I am really baffled by the speed of how fast this project goes down the shitter 😥

                              /e: yet there's still a glimmer of hope that torvalds is going to get over his "it's just a tool" phase. I heard him already complaining about the volume of bogus pull requests etc.

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                              #14

                              @spitfire @davidgerard It's not often that I'm rooting for the AI bros, but if they could submit even more bogus PRs, that would be very nice of them in this particular instance

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                              • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                @spitfire @davidgerard It's not often that I'm rooting for the AI bros, but if they could submit even more bogus PRs, that would be very nice of them in this particular instance

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                                #15

                                @landelare the tried and tested "flood the zone with shit" gambit, yes? 😉

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                                • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

                                  @landelare the tried and tested "flood the zone with shit" gambit, yes? 😉

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                                  #16

                                  @spitfire I'm not very well-versed in these techniques, but I'll happily watch the wrestling match

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                                  • yora@mastodon.gamedev.placeY yora@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                    @landelare @spitfire @McCovican Sure. If we make all the Linux software run on it I'd be happy to use it.

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                                    #17

                                    @yora @landelare @spitfire @McCovican

                                    Redox OS @redox_os@icosahedron.websit (strong anti AI policy) already runs a ton, including a graphical desktop!

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                                    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                      How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                                      https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                                      #18

                                      @davidgerard@circumstances.run Sorry, I can’t read it, I have thrown all of my computers into the sea and never wish to touch one again.

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                                      • kbm0@mastodon.socialK kbm0@mastodon.social

                                        @davidgerard That will make it tricky once all LLM assisted content is ruled as copyright infringement and needs to be stripped out.

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                                        #19

                                        @kbm0 @davidgerard i wonder if that's part of the reason for this change

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                                        • mccovican@infosec.exchangeM mccovican@infosec.exchange

                                          @spitfire @davidgerard

                                          I'm afraid that glimmer is looking more and more like a mirage...

                                          https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/

                                          His ignorance is, at this point, wholly wilful.

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                                          #20

                                          @McCovican @spitfire @davidgerard unfortunately, the trend more and more agentic AI contributions to the kernel and less and less humans vetted to make those AI contributions. Linux will stop being a community project, and it will be more like a few key maintainers and companies managing AI agents to mutate the code, "open source" only in the sense that, I guess, you can look at the code with your eyeballs if you want

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