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Do people actually appreciate URL shorteners?

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  • dngrs@chaos.socialD dngrs@chaos.social

    @paveljanicek @catsalad @hpod16 inevitably these end up getting used by scammers sadly

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    #36

    @dngrs @paveljanicek @catsalad @hpod16 ...why would the scammer use a "make the link more suspicious" button? If their links look like that, it's because these tools are based off of phishing links lol not because the scammers used the tool

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    • breizh@pleroma.breizh.pmB breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

      @hpod16@eupolicy.social I don’t like them, but if it’s something like youtu.be links where you don’t really lose information, then it’s ok.

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      #37

      @breizh @hpod16 this: I wouldn't mind link shorteners that don't hide where I'm going. If there were more vetted ones, I'd probably be down for those (currently the only ones I trust are corporate ones, which feels icky but also like... People can't really set a youtu.be link to some random scammy shit other than a YouTube video lol)

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      • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

        Do people actually appreciate URL shorteners?

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        #38

        @hpod16

        If it's a preview link, then I'm fine with it. Otherwise it's definitely a security risk that needs to be handled better.

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        • raphaelmorgan@disabled.socialR raphaelmorgan@disabled.social

          @breizh @hpod16 this: I wouldn't mind link shorteners that don't hide where I'm going. If there were more vetted ones, I'd probably be down for those (currently the only ones I trust are corporate ones, which feels icky but also like... People can't really set a youtu.be link to some random scammy shit other than a YouTube video lol)

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          #39

          @raphaelmorgan@disabled.social @hpod16@eupolicy.social I know a french podcast that does it properly too.

          The full URL is https://cpu.dascritch.net/post/2015/12/10/Ex0012-Ingénierie-d-Internet and the short one is https://cpu.pm/12 (for the 12th episode).

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          • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

            @hpod16
            They are potentially evil. Only existed because original Twitter was a stupid design and had too small a text limit as if the Internet was an early GSM phone,

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            #40

            @raymaccarthy @hpod16 To be fair, Twitter originally used to send you all the tweets of people you followed by SMS.

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            • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

              Do people actually appreciate URL shorteners?

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              #41

              @hpod16 They just add another point of failure, so when you return to a saved link years later you have to hope that the shortening service is still up as well as the site hosting the actual resource.

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              • caracabe@zirk.usC caracabe@zirk.us

                @hpod16 Yes, in some circumstances: if I trust the shortening service and it’s a printed URL (for inside, on a flyer) that I’ll have to type.

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                #42

                @hpod16 for instance, not for inside. Sheesh.

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                • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                  Do people actually appreciate URL shorteners?

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                  #43

                  @hpod16

                  Mastodon serves URLs as 23 characters.

                  If a url is 47 characters long its 23 characters, if its 22 characters,its 23 characters, if it's a shortened URL of 13 characters, its always 23 characters on Mastodon.

                  The only use of URL shortness is to fool clickers about the destination of the click.

                  #mastodon

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                  • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                    Do people actually appreciate URL shorteners?

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                    #44

                    @hpod16 The only purpose or value I can see to them is when one has to manually type something in. But there are usually better ways of handling even that. (For example, QR codes so you don't have to type in the first place.) If I need to pass a complex URL over to my phone or something I usually paste it into a QR code generator and uncover the camera.

                    (As a side note, there are QR code apps that can show the URL before actually loading it and I do appreciate that.)

                    A lot of people here already know this, but of course URL shorteners can go bad and even URLs get taken over...

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                    • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                      Do people actually appreciate URL shorteners?

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                      #45

                      @hpod16 There is also the fact that a shortener can be and nearly always is used to track analytics, often with a focus on networks of affiliations. I do not want to be monitored!

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                      • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                        Do people actually appreciate URL shorteners?

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                        #46

                        @hpod16 @daltux there are some use cases for URL shorteners that really make sense.

                        For quick memorization: you need to transfer the text between medias (writing an URL on a paper)

                        For generating QR Codes: the lesser chars a QR Code has, the easier it is to scan (also looks better).

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                        • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                          Do people actually appreciate URL shorteners?

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                          #47

                          @hpod16 internet marketing (Google!) loves to use url shorteners as gateways/funnels, to measure traffic, track audience. Its a Trojan horse, you don't know what you're getting into.
                          So no, not a fan.

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                          • xyhhx@nso.groupX xyhhx@nso.group

                            @catsalad @paveljanicek @hpod16 https://support.ic6do.com/Ireqke_invoice lmao

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                            #48

                            @xyhhx @catsalad @paveljanicek @hpod16 the only legit shortener is one that block you anf force you to install an adblocker before you get redirected to the actual pagr. Redirection is immediate if an adblocker is detected

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                            • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                              Do people actually appreciate URL shorteners?

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                              #49

                              @hpod16
                              Only if generating a qr code

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                              • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                                Do people actually appreciate URL shorteners?

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                                #50

                                @hpod16 Then again, you're asking on the Fediverse. Your sample is already skewed towards IT-savvy weirdos. This might be very different on some sides of Instagram.

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                                • civil_lights@mastodon.socialC civil_lights@mastodon.social

                                  @hpod16 Then again, you're asking on the Fediverse. Your sample is already skewed towards IT-savvy weirdos. This might be very different on some sides of Instagram.

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                                  #51

                                  @Civil_lights
                                  True, but on Instagram you basically cannot share links. I want to know specifically what the Mastodon audience appreciates 💜

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                                  • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                                    Do people actually appreciate URL shorteners?

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                                    #52

                                    @hpod16

                                    I think URL shorteners are (speaking as someone who professionally manages TLS intercept proxies):

                                    1) a security risk - to your point - because they obfuscate the true destination. further, some URL shorteners, even today in 2026, do not use TLS - meaning network adversaries can trivially inject new behavior.

                                    2) a privacy risk - because shorteners are almost always designed to track clicks to companies selling data likely in breach of GDPR. Usually the forwards include multiple domain changes meaning multiple third-parties are extracting tracking data to potentially thousands of data brokers. and again, some URL shorteners, even today in 2026, do not use TLS - meaning even ISPs can see the full URL, meaning more pathways to more data brokers.

                                    3) unnecessary. Since, idk, 2010? social media companies like Twitter auto-shortening any link to a maximum size in a way that massively long links dont count towards max character limits.

                                    4) something that should be "against the law" on the fediverse for the above 3 reasons, and is even worth soemthing blocking accounts for doing.

                                    @Em0nM4stodon

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                                    • vladcampos@mastodon.socialV vladcampos@mastodon.social

                                      @hpod16 I only click if the URL is from the company, institution, or person sharing them. The ones I share with my audience are always created with my domain.

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                                      #53

                                      @vladcampos
                                      It’s kind of similar for the organisation I work for. We have our own shortener, that can only shorten links from the Europa.EU domain…

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