Disabled people were among the first victims of the Nazis.
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The centers also collected state pensions and social security for months after killing the people sent there for care. So they were very scammy in a way that I don't think we recognize enough in the Nazis, one state sponsored but privatized operation mooching off of public benefits.
That I have heard more about "welfare moms" than this in my life is something to ponder.
@futurebird yeah there's always a lot of corruption in what the nazis did: Embezzled money, misappropriated funds, stolen valuables. And it's rarely talked about because it feels so miniscule compared to the horrific crimes, but I think it's a common feature of strongly hierarchical political systems. No, a strong man at the top of government doesn't make it more efficient. He's more likely to create the perfect climate for bottomless money pits
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@futurebird yeah there's always a lot of corruption in what the nazis did: Embezzled money, misappropriated funds, stolen valuables. And it's rarely talked about because it feels so miniscule compared to the horrific crimes, but I think it's a common feature of strongly hierarchical political systems. No, a strong man at the top of government doesn't make it more efficient. He's more likely to create the perfect climate for bottomless money pits
Unfortunately I've heard people say that our Stephen Miller could not have such evil ambitions because he is a part of a regime that is too petty and criminal and the nazis were more "ideological"
I think this is a troubling trend where people believe that the nazis were "at least efficient" which is just ingesting their old propaganda uncritically.
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Unfortunately I've heard people say that our Stephen Miller could not have such evil ambitions because he is a part of a regime that is too petty and criminal and the nazis were more "ideological"
I think this is a troubling trend where people believe that the nazis were "at least efficient" which is just ingesting their old propaganda uncritically.
@futurebird the nazis were incredibly prolific in disseminating propaganda that people would still believe 90 years later. From the efficient governing, over the consistent ideology, to the "german" engineering of the war machine
But like they were full of people with idiosyncratic ideas and beliefs, full of yes men only out for personal benefit.
Himmler was obsessed with some weird germanic pseudo myth,
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Unfortunately I've heard people say that our Stephen Miller could not have such evil ambitions because he is a part of a regime that is too petty and criminal and the nazis were more "ideological"
I think this is a troubling trend where people believe that the nazis were "at least efficient" which is just ingesting their old propaganda uncritically.
@futurebird @emilychwiggy but there's also an important lesson. There was resistance against T4. Resistance significant enough for the regime to suspend the murdering of that group of people. Not resisting against the murder of other groups was a choice.
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@futurebird @emilychwiggy but there's also an important lesson. There was resistance against T4. Resistance significant enough for the regime to suspend the murdering of that group of people. Not resisting against the murder of other groups was a choice.
They gave the appearance of "suspending" it but they went back to doing it not long after, this only really helped people who were Catholic and had family.
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Thinking about it, it doesn't make sense that they would be open about doing such a thing. There were people who objected. Those people were called sentimental and unreasonable. And of course the murders would expand.
The killing centers were disguised as care facilities. Sometimes they billed families for months after their relative was dead.
you can see the exact same kind of manipulation and obstruction happening with ICE. they're cowardly pieces of shit, so they wait till you're alone and can't defend yourself.
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Disabled people were among the first victims of the Nazis. What I did not know was that this program of eugenics through murder was very furtive at first. They knew that "do gooders" and "the church" would object to killing disabled people, often children just to save money.
They were careful not to have too many deaths at any one center at first. But as the stress of war created further chaos they become more open about these murders.
@futurebird Speaking of "the church" I know they eventually established a state religion with changes (this was the thing that finally set Niemoller off after he watched his neighbors get taken and killed but ignored it — even supported it.) I wonder if towards the end they basically were having it preached religiously that they must murder anyone who didn't fit the "ideal" criteria?
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The centers also collected state pensions and social security for months after killing the people sent there for care. So they were very scammy in a way that I don't think we recognize enough in the Nazis, one state sponsored but privatized operation mooching off of public benefits.
That I have heard more about "welfare moms" than this in my life is something to ponder.
it's one of the dark secrets of white "moderate" society. but you can find it sometimes. here's Utah Phillips reciting an anonymous poem from George Milburn's 1930 book, The Hobo's Hornbook. he often gave little speeches to explain what he was talking about, and give some historical context:
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@futurebird yeah there's always a lot of corruption in what the nazis did: Embezzled money, misappropriated funds, stolen valuables. And it's rarely talked about because it feels so miniscule compared to the horrific crimes, but I think it's a common feature of strongly hierarchical political systems. No, a strong man at the top of government doesn't make it more efficient. He's more likely to create the perfect climate for bottomless money pits
it's a conversation that requires asking "yes, and?"
they put millions of Jewish people in death camps, they stole as many Jewish possessions as they could, but what did they do what they stole? where did it go?
there is a little possible clue in the Peaky Blinders movie, or at least it's something that made me think about this. if you haven't seen it, the story of the movie is about how the nazis counterfeit printed hundreds of millions of British five pound notes to try to crash the British economy, and what Tommy does to stop them. the notes are moved in trucks full of luggage cases. where could they have got all of those luggage cases? if it's what really happened, we can look to Auschwitz for where they got the cases.
there are other bits and pieces to pick out of The Zone Of Interest, if you can stomach watching that one.
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it's one of the dark secrets of white "moderate" society. but you can find it sometimes. here's Utah Phillips reciting an anonymous poem from George Milburn's 1930 book, The Hobo's Hornbook. he often gave little speeches to explain what he was talking about, and give some historical context:
@burnitdown @futurebird @emilychwiggy
Great story! I thought he told an abbreviated version of this on his album We Have Fed You All For A Thousand Years but now I can't find it. I know I've heard the part about handing your brain over to someone for eight hours a day. The long version in this clip is excellent!
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The centers also collected state pensions and social security for months after killing the people sent there for care. So they were very scammy in a way that I don't think we recognize enough in the Nazis, one state sponsored but privatized operation mooching off of public benefits.
That I have heard more about "welfare moms" than this in my life is something to ponder.
@futurebird @emilychwiggy over the past few years in the UK we've had at least a couple local councils found to be talking about "warehousing" disabled people:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/25/warehouse-disabled-people-bristol-city-council
Which, as a disabled person in the UK living somewhat locally to these areas, has been terrifying to watch (especially given these are just tge ones we know about, and because I've wstched peopke brush this off as unimportant)
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@futurebird @emilychwiggy over the past few years in the UK we've had at least a couple local councils found to be talking about "warehousing" disabled people:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/25/warehouse-disabled-people-bristol-city-council
Which, as a disabled person in the UK living somewhat locally to these areas, has been terrifying to watch (especially given these are just tge ones we know about, and because I've wstched peopke brush this off as unimportant)
It's not "unimportant" any time the state or a company hired by the state is charged with "keeping" people be they disabled, or people jailed but not convicted like many collected by ICE that system ... if it should exist at all needs to be transparent.
Don't tell me I can't visit, I can't take photos, I can't talk to anyone.
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@futurebird the nazis were incredibly prolific in disseminating propaganda that people would still believe 90 years later. From the efficient governing, over the consistent ideology, to the "german" engineering of the war machine
But like they were full of people with idiosyncratic ideas and beliefs, full of yes men only out for personal benefit.
Himmler was obsessed with some weird germanic pseudo myth,
Hitler with impractical architecture…this is another one of those instances where i have to say, yes Hitler and those close to him where terrible people, but look at where they got their ideas from. the nazis did not appear out of a vacuum, but out of a century of brutal colonialism that produced some horrifying photos such as the one of a mountain of buffalo skulls.
the nazi lies persist because we live under a mountain of colonial narrative which is itself an enormous pack of lies. it wasn't just some nasty Germans obsessed with "national identity", it was all over Europe in the 19th century. it's why Canada and USA exist as nation states. Hitler took a lot of inspiration from the extremely violent ideas and laws of John A. MacDonald and his government, the first parliament of Canada, many of which are still in the books today.
what's different in Canada today? Indigenous people are over-represented in incarceration. traumatised Indigenous children are further traumatised by family separation, which caused the generational trauma in the first place, but now the "Childrens' Aid Society" does it instead of the North West Mounted Police, who are now the RCMP. if a Black woman who is an elected representative holds up a tiny little placard in Ontario Parliament, to denounce another white supremacist genocide, the "left wing" party will do the work of the openly fascist party and kick her out.
but talk about these things with your average uneducated blockhead, and they'll look at you like you're from Neptune.
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@burnitdown @futurebird @emilychwiggy
Great story! I thought he told an abbreviated version of this on his album We Have Fed You All For A Thousand Years but now I can't find it. I know I've heard the part about handing your brain over to someone for eight hours a day. The long version in this clip is excellent!
@AdrianRiskin @futurebird @emilychwiggy
he probably recited this poem many times at many shows, in a different way every time. the track you're looking for is called The Two Bums, which is also the name of the poem.
i was really thinking of a different track when i posted that. this is the one that made the message even clearer. "who controls the blame pattern? why is it that large bodies of workers in my country always try to assign blame downwards to people trying to get a little something for nothing?"
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@AdrianRiskin @futurebird @emilychwiggy
he probably recited this poem many times at many shows, in a different way every time. the track you're looking for is called The Two Bums, which is also the name of the poem.
i was really thinking of a different track when i posted that. this is the one that made the message even clearer. "who controls the blame pattern? why is it that large bodies of workers in my country always try to assign blame downwards to people trying to get a little something for nothing?"
@burnitdown @futurebird @emilychwiggy
I did listen to that track on the album but he doesn't tell it there. Yeah, the blame pattern is another banger!
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Disabled people were among the first victims of the Nazis. What I did not know was that this program of eugenics through murder was very furtive at first. They knew that "do gooders" and "the church" would object to killing disabled people, often children just to save money.
They were careful not to have too many deaths at any one center at first. But as the stress of war created further chaos they become more open about these murders.
@futurebird There was a lot of resistance by the public to the execution of disabled people. It didn't stop the Nazis from killing them but they worked hard to make it appear that it wasn't happening.
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The centers also collected state pensions and social security for months after killing the people sent there for care. So they were very scammy in a way that I don't think we recognize enough in the Nazis, one state sponsored but privatized operation mooching off of public benefits.
That I have heard more about "welfare moms" than this in my life is something to ponder.
What are the odds that DHS and ICE are going to do the same thing with the hundreds of thousands or millions of Americans they are going to be sticking in their death camps?
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@futurebird @emilychwiggy but there's also an important lesson. There was resistance against T4. Resistance significant enough for the regime to suspend the murdering of that group of people. Not resisting against the murder of other groups was a choice.
I would add that the resistance saved lives. It was risky. Although I wish it had gone much much further. I don't know who was scared to go further and who didn't care.
In the end history will only remember the actions your take, not what is in your heart.
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I would add that the resistance saved lives. It was risky. Although I wish it had gone much much further. I don't know who was scared to go further and who didn't care.
In the end history will only remember the actions your take, not what is in your heart.
Reading about the sneakiness of Aktion T4 (the murders had started and most people did not know, or looked away if they did)... and then the limited resistance from the church. (But still brave some lost their lives.)
And knowing what came after it just makes this current moment feel very cold. Like we are on a dark road and there isn't any good way to turn back.
But, that's just a feeling. The reality is that there is still time. But this shows how it can be hard.
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Reading about the sneakiness of Aktion T4 (the murders had started and most people did not know, or looked away if they did)... and then the limited resistance from the church. (But still brave some lost their lives.)
And knowing what came after it just makes this current moment feel very cold. Like we are on a dark road and there isn't any good way to turn back.
But, that's just a feeling. The reality is that there is still time. But this shows how it can be hard.
There is a lesson here I think. Aktion T4 blew up in media after killing about 70,000 disabled people. The German public and the international public were broadly disgusted. Hitler said he would shut down the program. Made a new center that people could visit without any gas chambers. And this sort of worked?
The lesson is you can never trust people who do such things if they say "oh we will stop."
Now we can consider how we might apply this to our lives today.
