I am quite keen on the idea of an electric car.
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@neil and the price of an electric car that would replace my current diesel is a huge reason I won't be able to change right now.
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I am quite keen on the idea of an electric car.
I am less keen on the idea of a car which spies on me.
@neil I do wonder if any of them let you change the SIM/eSIM that they use for gathering that data.
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I am quite keen on the idea of an electric car.
I am less keen on the idea of a car which spies on me.
@neil A few months ago we bought a low milage 2020 Kia Soul. I haven't activated the Kia app so it isn't spying on me. It could still be logging and reporting its location and performance details but it isn't linked to me. Or not directly. Does it collect data from my phone? Possibly but that's registered with a fake name Gmail address I don't use for anything else. Does Kia collect and link data from their dealer who serviced it?
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@artfulrobot @sborrill Mostly eSIMs these days, I think.
@neil @artfulrobot @sborrill So your car actually does need a tinfoil hat faraday cage ?
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@neil A few months ago we bought a low milage 2020 Kia Soul. I haven't activated the Kia app so it isn't spying on me. It could still be logging and reporting its location and performance details but it isn't linked to me. Or not directly. Does it collect data from my phone? Possibly but that's registered with a fake name Gmail address I don't use for anything else. Does Kia collect and link data from their dealer who serviced it?
@pthane I will take a look. Thank you!
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I am quite keen on the idea of an electric car.
I am less keen on the idea of a car which spies on me.
@neil what about the basic ones like dacia?
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@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk @ratcatcher@beige.party I kind of want a first or second generation BMW i3 but the range is just a little too short without a battery upgrade, and then the price point isn't fantastic anymore. Also dreaming of the Slate truck despite its rumored ties to Bezos/Amazon. Amish EV for me.
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@neil what about the basic ones like dacia?
@f4grx I didn't know that Dacia even had an EV (perhaps because I have been looking second hand?)!
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I am not a car person.
I drive, but I don't enjoy driving particularly. It is a means to an end for me.
I much prefer to take a train but, sometimes, is either not possible, or else does not make sense (generally, time or money-wise).
@neil I have a hybrid, but I also have a driveway and my own charger, I think a key factor for me is being able to charge it on my own tariff rather than pay the much higher amount for a public one. I think it costs me 60p to charge it all the way, well okay its range is 20 miles for that but that ticks off most of my journeys here.
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@f4grx I didn't know that Dacia even had an EV (perhaps because I have been looking second hand?)!
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@neil I have a hybrid, but I also have a driveway and my own charger, I think a key factor for me is being able to charge it on my own tariff rather than pay the much higher amount for a public one. I think it costs me 60p to charge it all the way, well okay its range is 20 miles for that but that ticks off most of my journeys here.
@RobeeShepherd Great!
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@neil yes, thankfully as I have a 1st Edition ID.3, it is from before VW realised that they could rip everyone off. But newer VW cars are being charged (I think) about £125/year for "connectivity" so that stuff like preheating can work, which is ridiculous. Owners really should have the right to use an alternative provider instead of being locked into one vendor.
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@f4grx I didn't know that Dacia even had an EV (perhaps because I have been looking second hand?)!
@neil I think they have, I should double check. I am also interested by an EV since my current car is a 11yo diesel, but I absolutely do NOT trust the usual brands for privacy.
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@neil @pmcdonald Interesting two part video here about a similar-ish situation.
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@steve Well, you can have a standalone auxiliary heating/venting system for Diesel vehicles. I have got one. It doesn't talk to any server, I just pre-program and/or remote control it. (This is not meant to denigrate EV's, I just wanted to chime in on the fact that preheating is not a unique EV feature).
@tobifant presumably only of use when at home though? My car will preheat for things like leaving the pub, driving home from swimming, my wife leaving university in the evening, etc.
ICE vehicles generally use their waste engine heat for heating, so you have to wait until the engine has warmed up before you get any useful heat from them. Conversely, my EV has a 6 kW PTC heater that will get the cabin nice and warm within a couple of minutes and certainly deice the windows in 5.
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@tobifant presumably only of use when at home though? My car will preheat for things like leaving the pub, driving home from swimming, my wife leaving university in the evening, etc.
ICE vehicles generally use their waste engine heat for heating, so you have to wait until the engine has warmed up before you get any useful heat from them. Conversely, my EV has a 6 kW PTC heater that will get the cabin nice and warm within a couple of minutes and certainly deice the windows in 5.
@steve Well, in the pub scenario, I could hit the remote control like 15 minutes before I leave and the car will be de-iced and warm by then. The auxiliary heating system burns Diesel specifically to generate heat for pre-heating the motor and cabin. -
I am quite keen on the idea of an electric car.
I am less keen on the idea of a car which spies on me.
@neil so the early Leaf is the car of choice then, as the 3G network turning off means it has no telemetry?
