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  3. Reading a lot of nuanced takes now about the usefulness of generative AI by very smart people I respect a lot, such as this thread that is very much worth your time.

Reading a lot of nuanced takes now about the usefulness of generative AI by very smart people I respect a lot, such as this thread that is very much worth your time.

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  • hzulla@infosec.exchangeH hzulla@infosec.exchange

    We hastily rebuild our society and economy around it. We're told we'll be left behind if we don't accept to include AI in our workplace, our kid's schools, the culture we consume, the bureaucracy we rely on, the military decisions on how to fight our wars, and so on.

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    #6

    The moment corporations started to believe that a machine will make annoying workers easily replaceable or even unnecessary, the moment organizations found out that using AI offers plausible deniability for difficult decisions that can potentially hurt other humans, it took the people in power an *instant* to redirect all of our attention into advancing this technology.

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    • hzulla@infosec.exchangeH hzulla@infosec.exchange

      The moment corporations started to believe that a machine will make annoying workers easily replaceable or even unnecessary, the moment organizations found out that using AI offers plausible deniability for difficult decisions that can potentially hurt other humans, it took the people in power an *instant* to redirect all of our attention into advancing this technology.

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      #7

      We currently find ourselves in an escalating climate catastrophe that everyone can witness to have real consequences. The new normal in Europe is droughts, wildfires and heatwaves. We have petrostates engaged in multiple idiotic wars and trade conflicts that dismantle our global supply chains. We're seeing lower crop yields and coming food shortages. We have a realistic outlook to see the end of AMOC in our lifetime.

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      • hzulla@infosec.exchangeH hzulla@infosec.exchange

        We currently find ourselves in an escalating climate catastrophe that everyone can witness to have real consequences. The new normal in Europe is droughts, wildfires and heatwaves. We have petrostates engaged in multiple idiotic wars and trade conflicts that dismantle our global supply chains. We're seeing lower crop yields and coming food shortages. We have a realistic outlook to see the end of AMOC in our lifetime.

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        #8

        These climate events had been accurately predicted decades ago. We had technologies to prevent the scale of this - renewable energy, batteries, electric cars, etc. - ready for a large-scale roll-out long ago. We had discussions, actual proposals, plans and budget estimates to do this since 30+ years.

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        • hzulla@infosec.exchangeH hzulla@infosec.exchange

          These climate events had been accurately predicted decades ago. We had technologies to prevent the scale of this - renewable energy, batteries, electric cars, etc. - ready for a large-scale roll-out long ago. We had discussions, actual proposals, plans and budget estimates to do this since 30+ years.

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          #9

          Governments and corporations told us that a rapid transition away from fossil fuels was an unreasonable and naive demand. It was impossible to rebuild the economy around this idea. It was impossible to implement.

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          • hzulla@infosec.exchangeH hzulla@infosec.exchange

            These climate events had been accurately predicted decades ago. We had technologies to prevent the scale of this - renewable energy, batteries, electric cars, etc. - ready for a large-scale roll-out long ago. We had discussions, actual proposals, plans and budget estimates to do this since 30+ years.

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            #10

            And now? It took the world a finger-snap to go all-in on AI. We were capable to decide this. To literally throw trillions of cash and resources into this. Only that this is the modern equivalent of investing into a tulip bulb merchant who is promising us a future black tulip flower.

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            • hzulla@infosec.exchangeH hzulla@infosec.exchange

              And now? It took the world a finger-snap to go all-in on AI. We were capable to decide this. To literally throw trillions of cash and resources into this. Only that this is the modern equivalent of investing into a tulip bulb merchant who is promising us a future black tulip flower.

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              #11

              The Apollo Project of our generation should have been fighting climate change.

              But those in power are telling us now that it's AI, instead. It's inevitable, they say, we should happily embrace this.

              It's this betrayal that makes all of this so disgusting.

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              • hzulla@infosec.exchangeH hzulla@infosec.exchange

                The Apollo Project of our generation should have been fighting climate change.

                But those in power are telling us now that it's AI, instead. It's inevitable, they say, we should happily embrace this.

                It's this betrayal that makes all of this so disgusting.

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                #12

                Same.

                https://infosec.exchange/@masek/117291865460131952

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                • hzulla@infosec.exchangeH hzulla@infosec.exchange

                  RE: https://infosec.exchange/@masek/117291737816399540

                  Reading a lot of nuanced takes now about the usefulness of generative AI by very smart people I respect a lot, such as this thread that is very much worth your time.

                  And yet... 🧵

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                  #13

                  @hzulla

                  Well said. This is literally what I have been hissing at everyone within earshot - except your take is much more eloquent. Thank you so much.

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                  • hzulla@infosec.exchangeH hzulla@infosec.exchange

                    The Apollo Project of our generation should have been fighting climate change.

                    But those in power are telling us now that it's AI, instead. It's inevitable, they say, we should happily embrace this.

                    It's this betrayal that makes all of this so disgusting.

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                    #14

                    @hzulla It eventually will be, if we get around to it.

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                    • hzulla@infosec.exchangeH hzulla@infosec.exchange

                      The Apollo Project of our generation should have been fighting climate change.

                      But those in power are telling us now that it's AI, instead. It's inevitable, they say, we should happily embrace this.

                      It's this betrayal that makes all of this so disgusting.

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                      #15

                      @hzulla this, yeah. It's so deeply disappointing.

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                      • hzulla@infosec.exchangeH hzulla@infosec.exchange

                        The Apollo Project of our generation should have been fighting climate change.

                        But those in power are telling us now that it's AI, instead. It's inevitable, they say, we should happily embrace this.

                        It's this betrayal that makes all of this so disgusting.

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                        #16

                        @hzulla the difference is: fighting climate change entails deep change of all systems we currently operate in. AI is more of the same. Actually an attempt to keep the system running while it wants to eat itself already.

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                        • hzulla@infosec.exchangeH hzulla@infosec.exchange

                          Governments and corporations told us that a rapid transition away from fossil fuels was an unreasonable and naive demand. It was impossible to rebuild the economy around this idea. It was impossible to implement.

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                          #17

                          @hzulla
                          And yet there is a hardly a single country moving to renewables faster than their government expected or planned for.

                          The people have spoken.

                          And will do again, only louder.

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                          • hzulla@infosec.exchangeH hzulla@infosec.exchange

                            A good friend who's vibe coding now tells me I'm talking like a blind person about colours when arguing to reject generative AI without "really" trying it out first myself.

                            The issue isn't if generative AI can be useful for highly specific work and operated by experts for that task. Generative AI is a genuinely impressive and fun tool. Especially in prototyping and security fuzzing. But it still causes a deep feeling of disgust, at least for me.

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                            #18

                            @hzulla I see lots of reasons to reject what is being marketed as AI, but there is one reason that stands above them all:

                            LLMs amplify bias, and the effect seems inescapable.

                            The issue could be identity politics, but also things like coding styles, system architectures, threat models, etc.

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