The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
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The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/
They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
@cwebber The real Rust was on their people skills all along, who knew?
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The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/
They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
@cwebber
Why not RIIR? -
The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/
They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
@cwebber why not give it a metallic taste: "It wasn't just improved by humans, it was a deep rewrite"
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The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/
They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
@cwebber How will managers and bureaucrats of the future learn to write bland corporate pablum if they let the machine do it for them?
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The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/
They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
@cwebber yeah uh, the general consensus within the project is very LLM-negative, but a vocal minority has been extremely LLM-positive, which is why the project only has a stopgap anti-slop-PR measure until a larger policy is written
it really feels like some major shifts are going to have to happen
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The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/
They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
@cwebber "They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human" smells the same as "I have reviewed all the code in this 40k lines monstrosity PR that I made with Claude"
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And once again the Zig language project shows, that there's a better way: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct/#strict-no-llm-no-ai-policy
@datenwolf @cwebber I considered learning Rust because I was looking for a modern systems language with modern tooling and without GC but the complicated syntax, the complex toolchain and a lack of a standard is pushing me towards Zig, this is another strong push in that direction.
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@datenwolf @cwebber I considered learning Rust because I was looking for a modern systems language with modern tooling and without GC but the complicated syntax, the complex toolchain and a lack of a standard is pushing me towards Zig, this is another strong push in that direction.
@emilianosandri @datenwolf @cwebber I dabbled with zig about a year ago and I really liked it...
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The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/
They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
@cwebber why are people convinced that “I rewrote it in my style” is a thing. Editing is hard. Changing the “style” of a large block of text is extremely difficult without literally rewriting it from scratch, at which point you should just… write it yourself.
Ask for a list of bullet points to cover if you really are incapable, though probably you shouldn’t be given the job of writing community announcements…
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The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/
They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
@cwebber I'm more and more convinced that there needs to be a complete moratorium on programming until this LLM shit dies in a fire or the FOSS community purges every LLM booster. Name, shame, and ostracize.
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The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/
They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
@cwebber If they rewrote every sentence, why did they need the LLM in the first place? Lies, lies, lies.
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The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/
They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
@cwebber I went
when I read 'Async complexity: the "Three Horsemen" problem' -
The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/
They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
@cwebber idk if they realize but, blog posts are supposed to carry meaning
if you have a slop generator spew something out for you that is a most effective admission you actually have nothing to say
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@cwebber yeah uh, the general consensus within the project is very LLM-negative, but a vocal minority has been extremely LLM-positive, which is why the project only has a stopgap anti-slop-PR measure until a larger policy is written
it really feels like some major shifts are going to have to happen
@clarfonthey @cwebber Sounds like a description of software in general - there's only a tiny sliver of people who are positive about LLMs but don't say anything
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@SRAZKVT I've bounced off of learning Rust from a technical standpoint a few times now, what's the deal with the community? Maybe I'll have to write it off entirely.
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The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/
They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
@cwebber Fuck. This just sucks so much.
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The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/
Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/
They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
@cwebber ugh, as someone who loves the rust programming language, it's been so depressing to see everything around it progressively get worse
there are many reasons why i love rust:
- having a haskell-like type system is super nice
- mutable xor shared is a very good idea
- the borrow checker is great to work and promotes having simple ownership graphs
- have a crate as the basic compilation unit, rather than a rust file, is a very sane trade-off, and i like it more than having per-file compilation units
- the culture around correctness is very nice
- rustfmt creating a very consistent way to use rust
- embracing inclusivity from the start
there is a reason why i have "rust is my favorite dirty haskell" on my profile
but then, there are a lot of things which are very bad:
- being co-opted by corporations very quickly
- embracing github and discord
- no stance against proprietary software
- no stance against centralization
- crates.io is very centralized and does not play well with distribution package managers
- cargo being the one blessed build tool, rather than embracing variety
- rust applications being annoying to package properly in distributions
seeing people who i used to respect a lot, like fasterthanlime[0][1] and niko matsakis[2][3][4] embracing the slop machines has also been very depressing
it really makes me look more in the direction of embracing c and zig, but those have their own issues
there is a lot to like about zig, and the project itself seems to have a moral compass[5]. the compiler has a stance against llms and moved away from github. sadly the zig ecosystem does not seem to share this stance. for example ghostty[6] embraces it
0: ewie.online/posts/20260214-arborium-is-ai-slopw/
1: github.com/facet-rs/facet/tree/main/.claude
2: github.com/nikomatsakis/zulook
3: github.com/nikomatsakis/retcon/tree/main/.claude
4: github.com/nikomatsakis/dada/tree/main/.claude
5: codeberg.org/ziglang/zig#strict-no-llm-no-ai-policy
6: github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/blob/main/AI_POLICY.md#ai-is-welcome-here -
@cwebber ugh, as someone who loves the rust programming language, it's been so depressing to see everything around it progressively get worse
there are many reasons why i love rust:
- having a haskell-like type system is super nice
- mutable xor shared is a very good idea
- the borrow checker is great to work and promotes having simple ownership graphs
- have a crate as the basic compilation unit, rather than a rust file, is a very sane trade-off, and i like it more than having per-file compilation units
- the culture around correctness is very nice
- rustfmt creating a very consistent way to use rust
- embracing inclusivity from the start
there is a reason why i have "rust is my favorite dirty haskell" on my profile
but then, there are a lot of things which are very bad:
- being co-opted by corporations very quickly
- embracing github and discord
- no stance against proprietary software
- no stance against centralization
- crates.io is very centralized and does not play well with distribution package managers
- cargo being the one blessed build tool, rather than embracing variety
- rust applications being annoying to package properly in distributions
seeing people who i used to respect a lot, like fasterthanlime[0][1] and niko matsakis[2][3][4] embracing the slop machines has also been very depressing
it really makes me look more in the direction of embracing c and zig, but those have their own issues
there is a lot to like about zig, and the project itself seems to have a moral compass[5]. the compiler has a stance against llms and moved away from github. sadly the zig ecosystem does not seem to share this stance. for example ghostty[6] embraces it
0: ewie.online/posts/20260214-arborium-is-ai-slopw/
1: github.com/facet-rs/facet/tree/main/.claude
2: github.com/nikomatsakis/zulook
3: github.com/nikomatsakis/retcon/tree/main/.claude
4: github.com/nikomatsakis/dada/tree/main/.claude
5: codeberg.org/ziglang/zig#strict-no-llm-no-ai-policy
6: github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/blob/main/AI_POLICY.md#ai-is-welcome-here -
@mi @lumi @cwebber
https://mesonbuild.com/Rust.html
https://mesonbuild.com/Wrap-dependency-system-manual.html
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it's still a pain to do because the tooling expects the cargo workflow, so e.g., system provided crates won't ever be a simple thing until rustc fixes itself
so this would be more of a band-aid than a final solution
