Nearly 500,000 russian citizens enjoyed European holidays last year.
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@EugeneMcParland
I don't think that we should generally discriminate all Russian citizens for having the wrong president there are enough Russian,s that suffer themself under Putin.Also I dont want to be hold responsible, or personal punished for the German government I didn't vote for.
@wolf @EugeneMcParland That's exactly how all German civilians were rightfully treated during WWII. Nobody checked Germans' voting records. That's how Russians should be treated now. It's physically painful to me to agree with the EPP on anything (and I know they're doing it because they're not in power in most Russian oligarchs destinations), but it boggles the mind that anyone thinks the vast majority of visa beneficiaries are dissidents, rather than vatniks flying their mistress to Cannes.
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@EugeneMcParland I don’t know. I’m conflicted. I also want Russians to see Europe, Ukraine included, as vital spaces with vibrant cultures and worth visiting and appreciating it on its own level.
@pictor @EugeneMcParland ... have you ever heard a "not interested in politics" average Russian talk about Ukraine?
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@EugeneMcParland if russia was a democracy, i would support this sanction (but with exceptions for people with proof they voted against it), but russia is an autocracy, so this is just collective punishment for the actions of putin
@jakeyounglol @EugeneMcParland In Post-Soviet Russia, We're have Democracy party, Yabloko before Putin take power over Russia.
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@EugeneMcParland
I don't think that we should generally discriminate all Russian citizens for having the wrong president there are enough Russian,s that suffer themself under Putin.Also I dont want to be hold responsible, or personal punished for the German government I didn't vote for.
@wolf @EugeneMcParland most of them are in favour of what their fellow monsters do to the people of Ukraine.
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Nearly 500,000 russian citizens enjoyed European holidays last year. Meanwhile, Ukrainians were dying on the battlefield.
It’s time to end Schengen tourist visas for russian tourists. Holidays in the EU are a privilege, not a right for citizens of a country waging war on our continent.
@EugeneMcParland Is there a petition to sign … ?
I’m sure it would receive plenty of signatures..
How about an EU citizen’s legalation initiative?
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Nearly 500,000 russian citizens enjoyed European holidays last year. Meanwhile, Ukrainians were dying on the battlefield.
It’s time to end Schengen tourist visas for russian tourists. Holidays in the EU are a privilege, not a right for citizens of a country waging war on our continent.
Wow! you mean they have not already done that?? WTF!
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Nearly 500,000 russian citizens enjoyed European holidays last year. Meanwhile, Ukrainians were dying on the battlefield.
It’s time to end Schengen tourist visas for russian tourists. Holidays in the EU are a privilege, not a right for citizens of a country waging war on our continent.
@EugeneMcParland There are lots of wealthy ruzzians visiting their properties around the Mediterranean. Those are the ones not sent to fight as cannon-fodder, and supporting putin. Stopping them travelling is an obvious action the EU should impose.
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Nearly 500,000 russian citizens enjoyed European holidays last year. Meanwhile, Ukrainians were dying on the battlefield.
It’s time to end Schengen tourist visas for russian tourists. Holidays in the EU are a privilege, not a right for citizens of a country waging war on our continent.
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Nearly 500,000 russian citizens enjoyed European holidays last year. Meanwhile, Ukrainians were dying on the battlefield.
It’s time to end Schengen tourist visas for russian tourists. Holidays in the EU are a privilege, not a right for citizens of a country waging war on our continent.
but leave putin's daughter in paris
and maybe a well-connected kremlin douchebag in london
etc., etc.
1. you know they wont nuke paris or london
2. if they suddenly go home you get notice shit's going up a notch
(/half kidding, half
)ah, fuck it, send them all home
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@EugeneMcParland @wolf Its always a states war and a societys war not an individuals.
What is the point? Is Israel a Terrorist State too?@Schabe @EugeneMcParland @wolf as the United States of America since Trump took control.
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Nearly 500,000 russian citizens enjoyed European holidays last year. Meanwhile, Ukrainians were dying on the battlefield.
It’s time to end Schengen tourist visas for russian tourists. Holidays in the EU are a privilege, not a right for citizens of a country waging war on our continent.
@EugeneMcParland would be ok in case it’s another continent? 🤮
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but leave putin's daughter in paris
and maybe a well-connected kremlin douchebag in london
etc., etc.
1. you know they wont nuke paris or london
2. if they suddenly go home you get notice shit's going up a notch
(/half kidding, half
)ah, fuck it, send them all home
@benroyce
Putin's daughter used to live in Amsterdam, that is no longer the case. Amsterdam is however close enough to London and Paris to not be bombed, flattening the Dutch capital would also affect the British and French capitals.
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@benroyce
Putin's daughter used to live in Amsterdam, that is no longer the case. Amsterdam is however close enough to London and Paris to not be bombed, flattening the Dutch capital would also affect the British and French capitals.
@EugeneMcParland@alterelefant @EugeneMcParland
i thought she was a DJ in paris
another daughter maybe?
https://mixmag.net.au/read/putins-youngest-daughter-is-secretly-living-as-a-dj-in-paris-news
maybe every european capital should detain someone important enough or related to someone important enough as an insurance policy
(i kid)
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@alterelefant @EugeneMcParland
i thought she was a DJ in paris
another daughter maybe?
https://mixmag.net.au/read/putins-youngest-daughter-is-secretly-living-as-a-dj-in-paris-news
maybe every european capital should detain someone important enough or related to someone important enough as an insurance policy
(i kid)
@benroyce
I am not an expert on Putin's daughter(s), my assumption is that it is probably the same person who just moved from one place to another.
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@benroyce
I am not an expert on Putin's daughter(s), my assumption is that it is probably the same person who just moved from one place to another.
@EugeneMcParland@alterelefant @EugeneMcParland
same
i'm just shit talking
it's a gossip topic, not interesting enough
i just thought it was an interesting effect, this "we can't nuke europe, our family lives there!"
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@alterelefant @EugeneMcParland
same
i'm just shit talking
it's a gossip topic, not interesting enough
i just thought it was an interesting effect, this "we can't nuke europe, our family lives there!"
@benroyce
People in the Kremlin know well that the last thing they do will be to drop a nuke somewhere.All the threats about nuking Europe are solely meant for for internal consumption in Russia The Russian government understands very clearly that an uprise is developing. In order to temper the uprise they feed the Russian population a picture of a common enemy. These are the last gasps of a declining Russian regime. The only thing they have left is heavy repression.
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Nearly 500,000 russian citizens enjoyed European holidays last year. Meanwhile, Ukrainians were dying on the battlefield.
It’s time to end Schengen tourist visas for russian tourists. Holidays in the EU are a privilege, not a right for citizens of a country waging war on our continent.
@EugeneMcParland@mastodon.ie I honestly would make this more nuanced than a blanket ban on ALL russian people... You might hate me for saying this, because I realise this is a heated topic, but as much as I hate Putin, the Russian military, and all high power peopme in Russia, I doubt the PEOPLE of Russia agree with killing Ukranians... The government of Russia is actively hostile to their people, and routinely violates their freedom, the actions of the russian government do not represent the russian people, and therefore I don't think we should punish them for something they have no say in. Russia is not a democracy as much as the Russian government wants to paint it as one.
Allowing visas for Russian people also makes it possible for people who are probably at risk to flee their country and seek political asylum in Europe, which is something that may encourage people who disagree with Putin's regime to speak up against it.
I would make a very big blacklist with all Russian oligarchs and anyone who has any relation with the russian government though, but I doubt this will go anywhere because it turns out those types of Russians are the ones bringing big money to Europe, and the others don't... -
@benroyce
People in the Kremlin know well that the last thing they do will be to drop a nuke somewhere.All the threats about nuking Europe are solely meant for for internal consumption in Russia The Russian government understands very clearly that an uprise is developing. In order to temper the uprise they feed the Russian population a picture of a common enemy. These are the last gasps of a declining Russian regime. The only thing they have left is heavy repression.
@EugeneMcParland@benroyce
It is remarkable how many Russians live in European cities, especially Paris and London. Very wealthy Russians. Most of those are monetary rich but morally very poor. As far as I know they don't contribute anything to their local community. Maybe a handful do but in general they are more of a burden to the cities where they live.
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@benroyce
It is remarkable how many Russians live in European cities, especially Paris and London. Very wealthy Russians. Most of those are monetary rich but morally very poor. As far as I know they don't contribute anything to their local community. Maybe a handful do but in general they are more of a burden to the cities where they live.
@EugeneMcParland@alterelefant @EugeneMcParland
Right, I don't think they would nuke. We have rational reasons why but then: "the assholes making the decisions, their families live in Europe" is the most hilariously direct argument
The Kremlin pushes so much "morally degenerate Westoids" propaganda, but then the families of the elites who lie to, rob and literally slaughter average Russians by sending them to die in Ukraine: they live in Europe
It's a giant farce. Average Russians need to wake up
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@alterelefant @EugeneMcParland
Right, I don't think they would nuke. We have rational reasons why but then: "the assholes making the decisions, their families live in Europe" is the most hilariously direct argument
The Kremlin pushes so much "morally degenerate Westoids" propaganda, but then the families of the elites who lie to, rob and literally slaughter average Russians by sending them to die in Ukraine: they live in Europe
It's a giant farce. Average Russians need to wake up
And think of all the real estate, the mansions, the palaces, the yachts they have bought in Europe!
