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  • yacc143@mastodon.socialY yacc143@mastodon.social

    @davidrevoy
    Well they tuned it that it was unusable long before they started experimenting with AI on Google.com

    Let's be honest, bad search results came from honest enshitifing impulses that drove the business into the direction completely by itself.

    Why offer the best results for free if the content providers can be forced to pay for the best slots via AdWords?

    It's organic.

    Google doesn't need ads to ruin its search.

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    #121

    @yacc143 I agree! I remember exactly during a coding sprint with the Krita team back in 2018 having this discussion around the table and each one sharing what they used because it started to be impossible to just find quickly issues, debug info, things in various documentation, etc...

    But the AI era really made everything go faster downhill. I'm convinced by that.

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    • orange_lux@eldritch.cafeO orange_lux@eldritch.cafe

      @davidrevoy @Nartance Ha ben justement je comptais te demander si la blague venait de toi ou de tes traducteurices

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      #122

      @orange_lux @davidrevoy xD oui certaines entrées en anglais ne correspondaient pas trop à la recherche une fois traduis (onion ring -> rondelle d'oignons; rondelle qui sort avec anneau, peu probable) ; du coup bah on sort la carte Pérusse 😛 x)

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      • toonlink@fandom.inkT toonlink@fandom.ink

        @davidrevoy Does the machine create the books? o: That's pretty rad! Or maybe they magically poof the books off the shelves. Even if the books themselves are trash.

        It's time to reintroduce yourself to Dewey Decimal, my dear!

        (Also I'm loving all the search engine recommendations in the comments, hehe.)

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        #123

        @ToonLink hey! In my first sketch, I designed big arms on the top of the machine (to pick books around) but it felt complex and also it had something a bit agressive or dangerous.

        I then decided it was a sort of teleportation thing, yep. That's one advantage of having a setup in a magic university 😅

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        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

          @hacknorris @wikipedia I agree 🙂 Btw, I wonder what parody name (and metaphor) in a fantasy setting I could give to Wikipedia... I'm open to ideas!

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          #124

          @davidrevoy @hacknorris @wikipedia Magipedia, same word feeling with minimal change

          Or something with grimoire, Grimopedia? Wikimoire?

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          • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

            @yacc143 I agree! I remember exactly during a coding sprint with the Krita team back in 2018 having this discussion around the table and each one sharing what they used because it started to be impossible to just find quickly issues, debug info, things in various documentation, etc...

            But the AI era really made everything go faster downhill. I'm convinced by that.

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            #125

            @davidrevoy Sure, the irony is, that today I have to use a mix of a high quality deep research (yes LLM based) assistant (fine tuned, it starts with: all claims must come with double checked references, to guard against hallucinations, ...), Qwant, and for some stuff when the size of the index matters still old Google (manually, by agent to pick out the truffles in the pigsty, or custom scripted filters to find what I look for.)

            Yes, it's an adverse environment.

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            • sunbeam_rider@shitposter.worldS sunbeam_rider@shitposter.world
              @jordan @davidrevoy word of mouth will always be the best publicity. I also like feed agreggators like bubbles.town and powrss.com . But those are more for discovery than search/research.
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              #126
              @sunbeam_rider @davidrevoy @jordan FYI Bubbles is coded by AI: https://bubbles.town/faq#:~:text=claude
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              • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                @scottytrees A sort of "Columbo, but it's an AI Parrot" type of series? 😆

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                #127

                @davidrevoy @scottytrees

                Perhaps more Inspector Gadget than Columbo?

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                • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                  The Degraded Search Engine

                  Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/071.html#bonus

                  #webcomic #krita #miniFantasyTheater

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                  #128

                  @davidrevoy Nice highlight !

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                  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                    The Degraded Search Engine

                    Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/071.html#bonus

                    #webcomic #krita #miniFantasyTheater

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                    #129

                    @davidrevoy what's your number one search engine rn?

                    i use duckduckgo but it's kinda annoying that my country block it so i have to use cloudflare

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                    • lazcht@sakurajima.moeL lazcht@sakurajima.moe

                      @davidrevoy what's your number one search engine rn?

                      i use duckduckgo but it's kinda annoying that my country block it so i have to use cloudflare

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                      #130

                      @lazcht Same for the search engine; DDG + ublock Origin on Firefox, and some AI additional blocklist. It's not that I particularly like it, it just remained there as the "less terrible option" and kind of stuck this way in my habits.
                      But I had a lot of suggestion after this episode, so I'll study them.

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                      • zelda@m.ai6yr.orgZ zelda@m.ai6yr.org

                        @lmgenealogy

                        I think the user @Linux is the person who published this list, and that was their goal, trying to find businesses that were truly not owned by Americans. That has to be a daunting task, and I appreciate that someone went through the trouble.

                        https://codeberg.org/Linux-Is-Best/Outside_US_Jurisdiction

                        @davidrevoy

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                        #131

                        @Zelda @Linux @davidrevoy Thanks for posting. I've seen a number of such lists and they're incredibly helpful. There are many people who understand the need to get off US tech and have no idea how. (The other overwhelming task: How to convince people like my husband and son that it actually matters.)

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                        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                          @xarvos @simondev I'm not sure the ublock origin really filters the results, but I use this list: https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist/tree/main

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                          #132

                          @davidrevoy @xarvos thanks!!! i didn't know

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                          • longplay_games@mastodon.gamedev.placeL longplay_games@mastodon.gamedev.place

                            @davidrevoy @scottytrees That'd be hilarious 😄

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                            #133

                            @Longplay_Games @davidrevoy @scottytrees

                            You know, Leonie Swann wrote Gray a couple years ago:

                            https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54877903-gray
                            (Goodreads appear to be the only non-German source here).

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                            • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                              @Konqi Haha, true. Unconscious decision here; maybe the books have a secret box inside them for all the cookies of partners.

                              ...and it makes me think now of this old episode https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/016.html Everything start to be connected!

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                              #134

                              @davidrevoy @Konqi

                              Is https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1099/keeper-of-forbidden-knowledge playing in the same universe?

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                              • greytheearthling@fe.disroot.orgG greytheearthling@fe.disroot.org
                                @sunbeam_rider @davidrevoy @jordan FYI Bubbles is coded by AI: https://bubbles.town/faq#:~:text=claude
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                                #135

                                @greytheearthling @davidrevoy @sunbeam_rider "For writing the code itself, I use Claude Code as a coding assistant during development. That is a tool used to produce the source, not a system the running site depends on. The deployed Bubbles never makes calls to any AI service at runtime. "

                                Disappointing, but not to take away from the premise.

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                                • zelda@m.ai6yr.orgZ zelda@m.ai6yr.org

                                  @lmgenealogy

                                  I think the user @Linux is the person who published this list, and that was their goal, trying to find businesses that were truly not owned by Americans. That has to be a daunting task, and I appreciate that someone went through the trouble.

                                  https://codeberg.org/Linux-Is-Best/Outside_US_Jurisdiction

                                  @davidrevoy

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                                  #136

                                  @Zelda @lmgenealogy @davidrevoy

                                  Thanks for the shutout. Always looking to expand that list too. 😇

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                                  • linux@fairy.idL linux@fairy.id

                                    @Zelda @lmgenealogy @davidrevoy

                                    Thanks for the shutout. Always looking to expand that list too. 😇

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                                    #137

                                    Note that the anonymous "Linux" account has been running a hate campaign against Palestinians requesting assistance via Mastodon. It is strongly urged that this account be blocked and reported to its instance.

                                    Search "Linux-is-best Gaza" for additional details.

                                    @Zelda @lmgenealogy @davidrevoy

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