People who previously wouldn't touch a README.md with a ten foot pole are now writing entire novels in Markdown for their AI tooling.

[svavar@masto.svavar.com]

@mmeier @frederic

They're showing you who they are. They don't care about other people and the LLM is serving as unpaid slave labour that does their bidding without question.

This is a recurring theme with AI and it's going to get worse.

[perigee@rage.love]

@mmeier @frederic @Binder it's a bitter pill. I think a significant difference is that random strangers being helped by documentation and mentoring are not as emotionally satisfying as helping machines that are engineered to be directly grateful and endlessly complimentary. Which I believe is an intentional, manipulative choice by LLM service providers to encourage loyalty beyond reason.

[mmu_man@m.g3l.org]

@frederic reminds me of the "Oh no Linux is too complex you have to use the command line" crowd that at the same time dig entire forums to find the REGEDIT magic to make their games work on Windows…

[_ryekdarkener_@mastodon.social]

@mmeier @frederic

Well … at least this documentation is also valuable for humans. And LLMs will have plenty of time to explain it to everyone, according to the asker’s level.

[kayohtie@blimps.xyz]

@mmeier @frederic I keep seeing this, and I can only imagine that like, half of it is generated anyway, and the rest is the "one more hit bro" effect of the dopamine feedback loop that generating output so rapidly causes, so they just keep adding more and more and more and then they're used to doing whatever to generate that feedback loop.

Couple with how real people don't give the same "you're absolutely right!"-style feedback and repeated exposure to doing this and it becomes their default. Unfortunately.

Welp, they keep vibe coding their shit and they'll keep ending up with music hosting servers that have a paid component but isn't shipped as a separate binary and requires a single line or 2 of code to be patched to enable for free.

[confuseacat@mastodon.social]

@jhauge @frederic That's a very good point!
Why would someone who will never read anything bother to write something? Especially when they overgeneralise and cannot imagine that any other human would ever read anything.

[mitsunee@mk.absturztau.be]

@frederic@chaos.social and then there's a group of users who say they don't know markdown until you call it "discord formatting" ​​

[atax1a@infosec.exchange]

@mmeier @frederic and then these people don't even actually write the documentation. they go "claude, document it" and the documentation is slop

[mmeier@social.mei-home.net]

@rabbit @frederic Oh yeah, that's another whole bag of weird I might just be too "left behind" to fully grasp.

[kirakira@furry.engineer]

@frederic i can't believe this is what it took for people to write readable high level docs

[wonka@chaos.social]

"WebMCP"... Does anyone else think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Control_Program_%28Tron%29 there, or is it just me?

@patrick_h_lauke @frederic

[staticrocket@defcon.social]

@frederic same people who refused to install a linter

[elduvelle@neuromatch.social]

@mmu_man @frederic
to be fair the regedit editing happens about once per year in windows while command-line stuff happens about once every 3 days in Linux (or more)...

[aslmx@chaos.social]

@elduvelle @mmu_man @frederic

In recent years I had seen an increasing amount of "Open powershell and paste these commands" instructions on the internet.

[jcolag@mastodon.social]

@mmeier @frederic Yes! I accidentally read one of those agent-files in a project, and was ALMOST impressed by how comprehensive it all was (at least there) in terms of architecture, style, and even comment tone, because that's obviously useful. And then I realized that they'd probably scream if an actual prospective contributor read it for advice...

[julianoe@mastodon.xyz]

@frederic often times it is not even a good documentation or README.md for humans still.

[jwalzer@infosec.exchange]

@frederic

Yes, And people who celebrated the freedom of "just talking to the computer in human language" and "getting rid of formal programming languages" are now definiing specifications how a good AGENT.md or RULES.md or SKILLS.md has to be written ... to formalize the language to talk to the computers

[orange_lux@eldritch.cafe]

@rabbit @mmeier @frederic I can confirm that.

[holdenweb@freeradical.zone]

@rabbit @mmeier @frederic With (uninformed) vibe coding it’s worms all the way down.

[kasperd@westergaard.social]

I guess I am guilty of not writing sufficient documentation for some of the code I have written. But I have definitely taken the time to explain to new colleagues how it works. And I have also done many pair programming sessions with colleagues to improve the code. And they have now written documentation of the code for AI to read.

But the documentation they wrote actually looks good, so that can probably be helpful for new hires as well. We haven’t stopped hiring, we have hired a couple of new people this year.