I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly.
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@hacks4pancakes Andy yen needs to be sacked asap
@winterknight1337 @hacks4pancakes in the balls, right??? or the other sacked?
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I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly. It’s incredibly disappointing and a huge loss.
@hacks4pancakes
If you just need a secure email, why not try Tuta? [1] The mobile app is not as flashy as Proton's but it works and I've been quite happy with it.I believe they have a rather strict no-AI stance too.
Also the paid plan lets you create 15(?) different emails pointing to the same inbox. It's pretty useful when you don't want to use the same emal everywhere.
[1] tuta.com
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@mrclark
You were probably asking Lesley, as some others did. If I'm out of place, I'll go ahead and shut up.Otherwise, if I may add my personal experience: I think, regardless of what platform we choose, we shouldn't "put all our eggs in one basket". That's what Google, Microslop, and now Proton have taught us (not saying they're all the same). That way, if we find out the software we're using is in any way corrupt, the damage is more containable.
@mrclark
I have been using Proton but also been looking for alternatives wherever possible.
Ente, for photos (if I could afford a bigger server, I would self-host it),
CryptPad for storing, editing and sharing documents online,
Tuta for mail and calendar (not yet but soon),
Wireguard for VPN, and
Joplin for notes.
CryptPad, Wireguard and Joplin I self-host them.Ente technically uses AI but it's locally run, to recognize faces in the pictures. It's not an LLM or generative, as far as I know, so I'm fine with it. Plus, it's totally optional (opt-in). The other apps, nothing that I know of.
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@401matthall 'how's that for hyperbowl?'. Pretty hyper, but I agree.
*edit: I realise the quote should say bole not bowl. I'm not gonna correct it because it made me laugh.I definitely respect this choice.
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@hacks4pancakes Warning signs began appearing shortly after Proton's appearance in the states.
Very troubling.
I hope it is not a trend.
@sasutina13 @hacks4pancakes Question: my college girlfriend was using it in Madison, WI in 2002. Which warning signs did she not see?
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@hacks4pancakes how little love do they have over doing things right, another Mozilla in our hands
@ozamidas I have to object because while I'm not happy with Firefox, they aren't close to this level of scorched earth insanity.
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If you use and particularly, pay for anything they make, you need to read this. It’s one of the worst I’ve seen even in the 20s.
🫠 I don’t think they’re recovering without the board removing executive leadership. https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/
@hacks4pancakes It tells me how jaded I am that I read the comments he made and had to re-read the article to see what's controversial or out of the ordinary for execs.
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If you use and particularly, pay for anything they make, you need to read this. It’s one of the worst I’ve seen even in the 20s.
🫠 I don’t think they’re recovering without the board removing executive leadership. https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/
But thinking about it, the red flags were there.
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@mrclark
I have been using Proton but also been looking for alternatives wherever possible.
Ente, for photos (if I could afford a bigger server, I would self-host it),
CryptPad for storing, editing and sharing documents online,
Tuta for mail and calendar (not yet but soon),
Wireguard for VPN, and
Joplin for notes.
CryptPad, Wireguard and Joplin I self-host them.Ente technically uses AI but it's locally run, to recognize faces in the pictures. It's not an LLM or generative, as far as I know, so I'm fine with it. Plus, it's totally optional (opt-in). The other apps, nothing that I know of.
@Mx_Shankly Have you looked at Zimbra? Personally I run my own domain but my company (Symas) uses Zimbra. Not coincidentally, Zimbra is a heavy user of OpenLDAP...
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@hacks4pancakes It tells me how jaded I am that I read the comments he made and had to re-read the article to see what's controversial or out of the ordinary for execs.
@jsmall I mean everything is terrible in 2026 but this is noteworthy ugly.
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I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly. It’s incredibly disappointing and a huge loss.
@hacks4pancakes sounds like he has AFP - AI FOMO Psychosis.
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@hacks4pancakes fuck this ceo, like with a rusty pole.
“Perception is more important than truth, the truth doesn’t matter if you don’t win on perception.” - CEO of proton
nice.
@tootbrute @hacks4pancakes yeah that just jumped out.
Bonus points if someone literally brings in a printer and vibe codes an app that starts printing resumes
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But thinking about it, the red flags were there.
@hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange I started my migration to Tuta (Yes, I have heard there is some AI usage there) yesterday. I was in the midst of the next leg of said migration when the story broke over my Mastodon feed.
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... I finally hit the bottom of the article that I can read without being a paying subscriber to 404media.
There's _plenty_ before the "fold". Take the time to read this. This disease has grabbed a hold of leadership and the C-suites all over the country and, I assume, the world.
@401matthall non-paywall version https://archive.ph/TkxiO
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If you use and particularly, pay for anything they make, you need to read this. It’s one of the worst I’ve seen even in the 20s.
🫠 I don’t think they’re recovering without the board removing executive leadership. https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/
@hacks4pancakes
Gods, I've been a proton user since 2020 I think.
I wasn't bothered as much by the stupid ass takes on right wingers "pro privacy stance" but calling pentesting loser thought when *the product I am paying for is a security product* is a line.
"I don't care if the helmets work! We just need to get our helmets out there to beat big helmet for selling unsafe helmets!"
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@sasutina13 @hacks4pancakes Question: my college girlfriend was using it in Madison, WI in 2002. Which warning signs did she not see?
@dave_cochran I am unaware of any problem at that time.
IIRC, it was not as well known as it is now.
Whatever was going on was likely overshadowed by the furor over Mega.
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@hacks4pancakes
Gods, I've been a proton user since 2020 I think.
I wasn't bothered as much by the stupid ass takes on right wingers "pro privacy stance" but calling pentesting loser thought when *the product I am paying for is a security product* is a line.
"I don't care if the helmets work! We just need to get our helmets out there to beat big helmet for selling unsafe helmets!"
Fucking seriously guys?@nagaram there were red flags.
I didn’t expect full Idiocracy in one go
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@mrclark
I have been using Proton but also been looking for alternatives wherever possible.
Ente, for photos (if I could afford a bigger server, I would self-host it),
CryptPad for storing, editing and sharing documents online,
Tuta for mail and calendar (not yet but soon),
Wireguard for VPN, and
Joplin for notes.
CryptPad, Wireguard and Joplin I self-host them.Ente technically uses AI but it's locally run, to recognize faces in the pictures. It's not an LLM or generative, as far as I know, so I'm fine with it. Plus, it's totally optional (opt-in). The other apps, nothing that I know of.
@Mx_Shankly @mrclark @hacks4pancakes you probably haven't seen it yet but tuta is definitely trending here for their recent AI embrace announcement.
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If you use and particularly, pay for anything they make, you need to read this. It’s one of the worst I’ve seen even in the 20s.
🫠 I don’t think they’re recovering without the board removing executive leadership. https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/
@hacks4pancakes at this point I think we’re in a “self preservation” phase where these tech leaders don’t even believe in a benefit that will come from it anymore, but they got duped and wrote big checks so there better be a return on that investment or they’re forsaken to a golden parachute
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I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly. It’s incredibly disappointing and a huge loss.
@hacks4pancakes got me thinking about hosting my own webmail but i'm terrified of spam
